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gg's Chris. 5:4 me


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I have secret I would like to share with everyone... its coming very soon! (btw my zon will be for sale once ladder is done )
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Nov 26 2009 09:46pm
Here is my fantastic little secret.
So I was dueling (Mewizard) and I thought to myself strange everytime we duel his life magically goes back up so of course I want see to see his belt. he says "sure" I have a look and no pots. "fair enough" again his life keeps going back up? hmmm. He's pretty good at zon vs zon but I was pretty sure I knew what he was wearing and I was like "wtf how is his life going back up?" At one point in our duel i got his life down to ------ that much.... next thing I know I die and his life is ----------------------- another hmmm. So I did some investigating. For all of you who don't know the rules I suggest you read them before you start this ladder. Myself and Twelvefootpencil created them... Check out Ace's profile there they are... or look below.


Zon Vs. Zon Ladder Mix 1 Rules:

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' (¸.•´ (¸.•Dueling Rules´)

-Duels will be ft5 in blood moor (Proper duels are hosted in nightmare, up to your discretion)
-Game must be cleared before duel starts (no leeching from monsters)
-Buying extra arrows is allowed, hiding them in Cold Plains is not
-Cs zons are banned
-No mods or hacks of any kind (maphack,aa,gmod,nightlight,etc.)
-No multi abuse (~1.10 3-volley multi rule)
-No poison charms / gear!
-No healing potions, or shrines
-No mercs
-No non-class skills
-No skill charges
-No chance to cast items (excluding fort) ie: ctc hydra amulets
-No battle orders (cta) including holding it in your cube.
-No prebuffing chilling armor - no demon limb even if in inventory
-No valks
-No use ofenigmaor teleport!
-A player may not use more than 2x Cold, Lightning or Fire Charms. This means you may not create Elemental Damage Amazons simply for Z vs. Z.
-Slow missile is not allowed
-Nos coil is only slow allowed
-Jab, Lightning Bolt and Fury are allowed
-Phoenix shields are allowed if you really want to deal with the proc
-Max life replenish with gear allowed is +22 replenish
-Mana pool + Arrow Pool in front of town / middle of map is allowed( If agreed upon)
-At any point in time player can ask for a screen shot if suspected of modding (Must request time stamp)
-Droping of belts before the start of each round can be asked to check for any health potions.

Exhibit A If you would please take the time to notice what I put in bold and enlarged to size 7 font. Maximum 22+life regeneration... Hmmmm very interesting.

Exhibit B


Exhibit C


Now for those of you who are having trouble with the math having a life replenish shield, boots, dungoes, and fort that = 52+ replenish to life WTF

I posted this just so people are aware of what they are up against. One minute he has 100 health the next he's back up to 1000 health..

Good times...



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Nov 26 2009 09:54pm
"SHOTGUN" dueling #1 spot after Ace and Endury duel... Ace I hope you lose so you will be below me :)
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Nov 26 2009 10:25pm
First lets start off this is to GHATI@JSP:

I openly showed you my gears in mid duel ghati when you questioned why my life was so high. If there was a problem you should of said something right there to me.

I was told differently when this tourney started that there was no cap on life replenish. This was the first time ever I have used this set up and it was only against you as I had been planning on testing it to see how it would work in a zon vs zon tournament.

Frankly why didn't you say something when I showed you my gears when the score was 2-0 for me? You asked me why my life was so high and I told you its because of my life replenish gears. I even showed you them all.

You should of honestly spoken up right then and said something instead of taking screenshots of my gears. I would of apologized to you as I was told differently when this tourney started about the rules. I would of replaced my gears and we could of started the duel over again fresh.

I have nothing to hide and if I did I wouldn't of showed you my gears.

What you did today was not cool at all. You could of said something when I showed you all my gears.

I read your post just now and you knew from the start of the duel that the life cap was 22. However I didn't.

Instead of telling me this you choose to say nothing and let the duel continue. Even after the score was tied 4 vs 4 you still said nothing. Even after you won 5-4 you choose to say nothing to me about the life cap.

You didn't say anything to me in game even after the duel had finished. Instead you took screenshots during the mid duel when I showed you my gears, timestamped them and posted them here on the forums in what appears to me to be an attempt to hurt me my reputation as dueler and character maker on this forum.

You knew right from the start there was a problem and chose not to bring it up.

Next time there is a problem in a duel and you notice it bring it up face to face right away so we can address the issue and resolve it right then.

I'm not happy about the way you handled this ghati and I'm letting you know this so you know my feelings on the matter.


This post was edited by mewizard on Nov 26 2009 10:49pm
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Nov 26 2009 11:21pm
I apologize if your feelings were hurt that was not my intentions... I did mention HOLY SHIT YOU KEEP gaining life. and you only mentioned after I was like wtf is going on? You also asked me to not share your secret. Why would you have something to hide? And this was not the first time because i called you out last time we dueled and never got an explanation which leads me to believe that is the reason your sitting at #4 spot. If this is not the case I apologize again.
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Nov 26 2009 11:37pm
To the rest of the members here on this board I would just like to assure you that I have never used these gears (boots and sheild) in our past duels ever. I always play this game legitly, I don't use hacks and I will always try to follow the rules of conduct set up by the organizer of this tournament the best I can to ensure a great & fun duel.

I had been testing this setup weeks prior in our test duel games with a few selective members who participate in this duel tournament. During our discussions nothing came up that there was a life replenish restrictions in place. Had I known there was a life replenish cap in place I would not of used this set up.

Today was the first time I decided to try this setup out in a real live zon vs zon tournament and see how it would work. Normally I use a stormshield monarch and wartraveller boots however these were replaced in favour of life a replenish boots I recently crafted and shield I had purchased on the forums. Most of you who know me know and my main gears. I have shown these to you in the past. They consist of a stormshield and wartraveller boots and not the life replenish boots and shield that was used today against ghati.

I do apologize for this as I was not aware of the life replenish restrictions and in future these gears will not be used in any future duel unless they conform/meet the requirements of the rules set in place by the tournament organizer.
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Nov 26 2009 11:43pm
i kinda wanna join the ladder but im not very active so ill get called dodge rule a lot :(
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Quote (Ghati @ Nov 27 2009 05:21am)
I apologize if your feelings were hurt that was not my intentions... I did mention HOLY SHIT YOU KEEP gaining life. and you only mentioned after I was like wtf is going on? You also asked me to not share your secret. Why would you have something to hide? And this was not the first time because i called you out last time we dueled and never got an explanation which leads me to believe that is the reason your sitting at #4 spot. If this is not the case I apologize again.


Ok well first off just so you have an explaination and so does everyone else:

The reason I asked you to keep my gears a secret was so that other people don't go copying my setup and using it against me in the zon tournament. There are alot of trade secrets alot of us keep. These can include anything from character skill tree point allocation assignment, stat point allocation assignment, gears and tips/tricks on dueling. We don't give away all of these secrets because we want to ensure we have a bit of an edge over the competition. At the same time alot of this stuff we learned came at the expense of our own hard work, testing, research and remaking our characters time and time over again.

For example Ryland and Ace have various design builds and set ups. However they don't share them with everyone because of the hard work they put into their characters. Sometimes they will be nice and share a few things with us because they want us to help us improve ourselves as duelers however they won't tell us everything.

Same reason goes with me. Reason I showed you my gears is because I knew you thought in your mind I was using healing potions from my belt because my life was so high after you had hit me. When you asked me to empty my belt I did so. What came out was all mana potions. So this confused you. At this point I owed you an explaination so I showed you my gears. I didn't want to as I wanted to keep my ideas a secret to use my setup in future battles but of course I did as I owe you an explaination.

Now of course I had been testing these gears rigerously with other members and discussing the results. The results of course from these weeks of testing in our duel games were amazing. But of course we needed to test them in a live environment against an opponent that was out there to really win a duel. So today was the day and I choose to test it against you. Mostly because I knew you're one of the best duelers here and would take the duel seriously. What better person to test this setup on and see if it works?

When this tourney started originally the rules were more flexible. At the time there as I recall I don't remember there being cap on life replenish. I knew there was stuff like no valk during duels (decoy is allowed), no slow missle, remove chilling armor off each duel, no engima to be used, etc. Heck I said if there is a no cap on life rep why not find a way to abuse something legitmately to my advantage? I discussed this with other members on our vent and they said yeah that sounds like a good idea.

So we said lets see if we can find a way to use it our advantage. So hence the trials and testing happened. We tried everything we could think of including some things out of the box. Eventually we came up with the set up I showed you which were the boots and shield. The boots I found out could have up to 5-10 life replenish.

Since all we were doing was physical damage there was no need for other mods such as resists. I did a bit more research and found out that the boots themselves can spawn up to 15 life rep. So I was like wow. This was due to the fact that the 10 life rep is an affixment (attached to the boot) and then another +5 life rep can spawn on top of the +10 affixment. This would make the boots 15 life rep. So I started crafting. Eventually I got a few good pairs of boots. Eventually I got the one's I showed you 30fwr/14life rep. So this was perfect. 14 life rep and 30% fast walk run needed to out run another zon.

So I discussed the idea further with my friends and we set up a date to meet to do our testing. I replaced my wartraveller boots with the blood boots. We knew that by replacing them we would lose 600 to 700 dmg they add to our bows, plus the vitality on them and strength, but we wanted to test it to see if was viable. Sure enough it was.

So then I started looking at if there is anyway we can get more life replenish without sacrifing gears that would hurt us? Next possible item we could remove is the stormshield. So I started looking at various shields. These included magical, set, unique, crafted and runewords. What we came up with was Gerke's Sanctuary.

+180-240% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+30% Increased Chance of Blocking
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Replenish Life +15
Damage Reduced By 11-16 (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 14-18 (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

The stats were pretty much amazing. 30% increase block (reaches our max block), 15 life rep (meets our replenish idea), dmg reduce and magic reduce and 30 resist all. All the mods were perfect. So next option was to socket it with a nice jewel. So I found a nice -15 requirement +3 life rep jewel.

Again we started testing zon vs zon and the gears were working.

Today was test day and I decied to try it against you. However as I found out afterwards from you there is a cap in place I was not aware of. Again I do apology for not knowing that.

The reason I showed you my gears was to prove I don't cheat. The second reason I asked you keep it a secret is because of the hard work and testing that went into making this setup.

It was my edge on the competition. I was planning on using it as my secret weapon and surprising people. I knew eventually people would figure it out and someone would attempt to try the same set up I did. But till then it was my secret and the individuals I had shared it with. I knew I could trust these people to keep my setup a secret and I could maintain my edge.

I showed it to you to confirm I wasn't cheating and asked you to keep it secret as I trusted you wouldn't tell anyone about my gears so I could maintain an edge over the competition.

Main problem is once you tell someone something then everyone knows. And once everyone knows then everyone is using that setup.

Its like when people use to use Asterons unique pally scepter back in the day for smite vs smite. It was the best weapon known. Nothing could beat it. However eventually grief came out. Some people laughed at it because it didn't have any enhanced damge on it. Just some stupid mods like minus target psn resist by 25% damage to demons and other crap. It seem more like a pvm weapon then anything else at the time. However some smiters saw the +400 damage on it. All the top smiters knew that the reason Asterons was so powerful was the fact it not only could spawn with +4 skills but because of the +85 dmg on it. This was what made it so good.

Well some smart people clued in on this and started using grief in smite vs smite tourneys. These guys would wreck the competition in usually 1 or 2 hits. Those who got wrecked were baffled? How can I be losing? What are those guys doing differently then I am?

Those who knew about the secret kept it just that secret. However eventually of course people figured it out and now every smiter uses grief <_<

Let me put it this way. If you accidently found out on your own that you could dupe any item in the game by simply hovering your mouse over any item and hitting alt + f4 five times would you tell anybody about it?

Well of course not. Once you told someone everyone would be doing it. Eventually to the point where Blizzard would patch the method of duping and then you're SOL (shit out of luck).

I don't share everything with everybody but I am more then glad to lend a helping hand if I can help

I know you have your own secrets as well ghati as you were forced to use one today on me to achieve yourself a win ^^

AND YES I KNOW THIS A BIG WALL OF TEXT BUT AT LEAST NOW YOU KNOW WHAT's HAPPENED


This post was edited by mewizard on Nov 27 2009 01:33am
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i kinda wanna join the ladder but im not very active so ill get called dodge rule a lot :(


David plays your zon anyways and he gets owned haha.
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