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Aug 15 2011 03:48pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Aug 15 2011 05:46pm)
Well... There is no technical FRW bp.. But we all know 150 frw is what is required to cause the desync animation.. -- oldnews.

You may argue that 180 life isnt a big deal.. but dude.. thats 9 scs.. and nearly a 10% life increase.

Not to mention.. is somone used 22 x 3's you get 65 frw..

But you use 22 x 5's and you have 110 frw. --That is a big difference imo.. its 10% life, and 15-20 % speed increase.

Why would we cap replenish

And not our speed?

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I'm glad. :]

But its not much better then a standard faith.. :X


i agree, i actually like my reg faith better tbh.
foi is more for ZvA imo.
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Aug 15 2011 03:49pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Aug 15 2011 04:46pm)
Well...  There is no technical FRW bp..  But we all know 150 frw is what is required to cause the desync animation.. -- oldnews.

You may argue that 180 life isnt a big deal.. but dude..  thats 9 scs.. and nearly a 10% life increase.

Not to mention.. is somone used 22 x 3's you get 65 frw..

But you use 22 x 5's and you have 110 frw. --That is a big difference imo..  its 10% life, and 15-20 % speed increase.

Why would we cap replenish

And not our speed?

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counter acts everyone being l8z to rep life back to quickly. And its like 2.1 life per sec compared to like 2.8 Idk the exact numbers, but it hardly changes anything. Makes it alot simpler to have dungos/ring and your done. More ed/dex jewels elsewhere
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Aug 15 2011 03:56pm
Quote (HayzBaby @ Aug 15 2011 04:49pm)
counter acts everyone being l8z to rep life back to quickly. And its like 2.1 life per sec compared to like 2.8  Idk the exact numbers, but it hardly changes anything. Makes it alot simpler to have dungos/ring and your done. More ed/dex jewels elsewhere


I dont think this is correct? Generally returns deminish.. unless rep is multiplied.. -- but i highly doubt.. ((iso a rep life table, otherwise.. :/ .))

would almost be safe to say at 20 rep you get 2.0 lpsecond
22- 2.2
30- 3.

I honestly think 65% more frw is a bigger deal then .8 life per second. -- imo the frw promotes more l8z.
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Aug 15 2011 04:03pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Aug 15 2011 05:56pm)
I dont think this is correct? Generally returns deminish.. unless rep is multiplied.. -- but i highly doubt.. ((iso a rep life table, otherwise.. :/ .))

would almost be safe to say at 20 rep you get 2.0 lpsecond
22- 2.2
30- 3.

I honestly think 65% more frw is a bigger deal then .8 life per second. -- imo the frw promotes more l8z.


Totally agree with this statement

I find that people with nearly 200% frw are seriously too hard to hit in ZvZ and it isn't a factor of skillfull dodging, it becomes a factor of being able to outrun arrows too easily
By the time you actually get a namelock on one of these guys (IF THEY SLIP UP) and allow you to get that close, they desynch so hard with 200% that they just plain don't ever get hit.
Not to mention that 200% provides an abusive ability to desynch.... Like these guys are never where they look on the map, its' a huge advantage over 150 frw amazons tbh

Nearing around 200 frw is just as bad as life rep abuse directly, if not worse
200 frw is what allows them to run around and not be caught and to be able to life rep to begin with

Just my opinions
If it were my call to be made,
Life Rep stays at 22 -- Dungo, +9 ring and that's it
and frw needs to stop at 175, going above 175 starts turning into the board game *battleship* - just pot shots hoping you hit a desyncher



Arelax is right though, 9/10 times the better duelist will come out on top
but there are those rare occasions when you're facing someone who really is *exactly* at your skill level
and it's during these types of match-ups that you realize 200 frw vs 150 does make an incredible difference on how often you get hit

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Aug 15 2011 04:11pm
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Aug 15 2011 04:14pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Aug 15 2011 05:03pm)
Totally agree with this statement

I find that people with nearly 200% frw are seriously too hard to hit in ZvZ and it isn't a factor of skillfull dodging, it becomes a factor of being able to outrun arrows too easily
By the time you actually get a namelock on one of these guys (IF THEY SLIP UP) and allow you to get that close, they desynch so hard with 200% that they just plain don't ever get hit.
Not to mention that 200% provides an abusive ability to desynch.... Like these guys are never where they look on the map, its' a huge advantage over 150 frw amazons tbh

Nearing around 200 frw is just as bad as life rep abuse directly, if not worse
200 frw is what allows them to run around and not be caught and to be able to life rep to begin with

Just my opinions
If it were my call to be made,
Life Rep stays at 22 --  Dungo, +9 ring and that's it
and frw needs to stop at 175, going above 175 starts turning into the board game *battleship* - just pot shots hoping you hit a desyncher


Lol... You sunk my battleship!

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Aug 15 2011 04:41pm
I miss my bowa :(
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Aug 15 2011 04:50pm
There is no cap in regular GM duels, why here?
As for the reference to the svs rule of bmanas, those are bugged charms that never dropped, while as 5 frws are just a prepatch item, they existed in the game.
From what I've found there are 2 ways to go, 5/3/20 paws or plain 5 frws.
5/3/20 paws are so duped that you take a risk even in expensive sets.
Using 5 frws you take a good damage cut from 3/3/xx zons.
Either way you are losing some thing (damage/perm) to gain in a other area.



About replenishing play:
If you suspect l8z play( My definition of this is when a user makes no attempt at a offensive action for a extensive amount of time), don't hesitate to pm a Mediator to witness a match!
We have more Mediators than ever before so getting a hold of one should be easier than ever.


In the end it's just another choice for you to have in your zon builds.

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Aug 15 2011 04:54pm
Won my challenge against:
--> 11. Host / Nightmares / *(G0D) ~ Aug 18th

My next challenge is:
--> 10. Vowel / AirportSecurity / *Peloton
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Aug 15 2011 06:30pm
Always check the Currently in Challenge section and don't forget to PM the user about the match!
Interested in joining? Please read the Ladder Rules before signing up! - Check First page!
The life replenish maximum limit has been reduced to 22!





Updated ZvZ Ladder



1.Shawshank / Guru-PvP / *Guru.
2. Desynch / ronnie17 / *ronnie17
3. PainInUrAss / BustaNut / *D-Vato
4. tBow /JSP_Homeboy / *sds13378
5. PostIt / LOLRagezzz / *thetopdecker
6. Dare / HayzBaby / *F34r.
7. Zon / 1998 / *Remains
8. Defloration / DrDemise / *DrDemise[Back on Aug 16th]
9. Sparr / Hepzibah / *Hepzibah
10. Vowel / AirportSecurity / *Peloton
11. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk
12. Ashanta / Extacy / *Predicament_
13. Host / Nightmares / *(G0D)
14. Crits / Arelax / *SScali
15. oG / THC / *Godly.
16. ZonPK / CeMeTeRy / *illuminati.fe
17. Arrow /Ownership / *ConC.








Currently in Challenge
11. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk vs. 10. Vowel / AirportSecurity / *Peloton ~ Aug 19th
9. Sparr / Hepzibah / *Hepzibah vs. 7. Zon / 1998 / *Remains ~ Aug 19th
14. Crits / Arelax / *SScali vs. 12. Ashanta / Extacy / *Predicament_ ~ Aug 18th
1.Shawshank / Guru-PvP / *Guru. vs. 3. PainInUrAss / BustaNut / *D-Vato ~ Aug 18th
4. tBow /JSP_Homeboy / *sds13378 vs. 5. PostIt / LOLRagezzz / *thetopdecker ~ Aug 15th




Previous Matches
13. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk vs. 11. Host / Nightmares / *(G0D) ~ Habakkuk22
16. oG / THC / *Godly. vs. 15. ZonPK / CeMeTeRy / *illuminati.fe ~ THC
15. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk vs. 13. ZonPK / CeMeTeRy / *illuminati.fe ~ Habakkuk22
16. oG / THC / *Godly. vs. 14. Crits / Arelax / *SScali ~ Arelax
9. Sparr / Hepzibah / *Hepzibah vs. 11. Host / Nightmares / *(G0D) ~ Null*
15. Crits / Arelax / *SScali vs. 14. Qilly / AtrophiedHopes / *Atrophied_Hopes ~ Null*








:sniper:Former #1's
Movies / ccsutton / *sutton [Defended 24x 1st Spot]
Crits / Arelax / *SScali [Defended 5x 1st Spot]
xCainx-CV / CainC5 / *CainC5 [Defended 2x 1st Spot]
OtepShamaya / SwanoW / *OtepShamaya [Defended 1x 1st Spot]
Shawshank / Guru-PvP / *Guru. [Defended 3x 1st Spot]


Vacationing Zons
hooker / GoodFun / *nosemonkey-b
FuknHeadSplitta / FuknHeadSplit / * FuknHeadSplit
Spams / aoz14 / Next.
RuthlessBoa / RuthlessJon / *RuthlessJon
Bowazon / lVlyGG / *www.l e w t.com


Mediators
LOLRagezzz
Guru-PvP
HayzBaby
THC
Habakkuk22
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Aug 15 2011 07:19pm
I won vs homeboy.
Challenging Ronnie.
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