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Nov 17 2021 11:41am
Quote (saveNg @ Nov 17 2021 11:40am)
they are reasonable

vita char going to get hit by kick regardless of how it interacts right now and with only fade on its not busted op
zon and paladin inherently would block avoid kicks so its unfair to use on them

bos is needed to side-dodge spears. makes sense if bos isnt being used to abuse fireblast and martial arts vs those same necs

cold mastery and cold stack are awkward and hard to balance.. cant totally determine the level of negative resist a sorc has.
and if one gets in an awkward position of being down -15% resist and not reach 75% cap they get chunked badly by blizzard.


You can't block kicks ATM
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Nov 17 2021 11:42am
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You can't block kicks ATM


vita character with less than 15% block is as good as not having any block
not sure why that isnt being processed, the difference is negligible
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Nov 17 2021 11:45am
Lol. Yeah cause we want 6 fpa trap laying vs necro's and that's balance. I swear to god some of you don't even spend 5 seconds to think about what you're suggesting.
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Lol. Yeah cause we want 6 fpa trap laying vs necro's and that's balance. I swear to god some of you don't even spend 5 seconds to think about what you're suggesting.


true didnt think of trap laying speed.
relax though bud just trying to provide a neutral opinion on things.
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Nov 17 2021 11:57am
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true didnt think of trap laying speed.
relax though bud just trying to provide a neutral opinion on things.


Hopefully, blizzard eventually addresses this bullshit. I for one want dtalon and bos back as well.
The suggestion for allowing martial vs vita's while faded is more reasonable, however it becomes a problem for people who are 15% block or 22% block off base dex etc. How do we distinguish who's vita when people can achieve MB with base dex. You can play with fireblast for the time being so I don't see any need to change things right now, until at least blizzard addresses it. In my opinion if they say it's intentional etc, then we should just unban it moving forward (martial skills, not bos lol) and let people adapt to those matchups. But for now, its an unprecedented bug, and it should remain banned.

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Nov 17 2021 12:07pm
Have two rule sets one for MB and one for vita is the dumbest thing ever ty for coming to my Ted talk
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Nov 17 2021 12:09pm
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Hopefully, blizzard eventually addresses this bullshit. I for one want dtalon and bos back as well.
The suggestion for allowing martial vs vita's while faded is more reasonable, however it becomes a problem for people who are 15% block or 22% block off base dex etc. How do we distinguish who's vita when people can achieve MB with base dex. You can play with fireblast for the time being so I don't see any need to change things right now, until at least blizzard addresses it. In my opinion if they say it's intentional etc, then we should just unban it moving forward (martial skills, not bos lol) and let people adapt to those matchups. But for now, its an unprecedented bug, and it should remain banned.


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Hopefully, blizzard eventually addresses this bullshit. I for one want dtalon and bos back as well.
The suggestion for allowing martial vs vita's while faded is more reasonable, however it becomes a problem for people who are 15% block or 22% block off base dex etc. How do we distinguish who's vita when people can achieve MB with base dex. You can play with fireblast for the time being so I don't see any need to change things right now, until at least blizzard addresses it. In my opinion if they say it's intentional etc, then we should just unban it moving forward (martial skills, not bos lol) and let people adapt to those matchups. But for now, its an unprecedented bug, and it should remain banned.


Kinda weird how everyone that mains broken sin wants there skills unbanned yet every class has many skills banned because they are legitimately necessary to balance.

This post was edited by Gringito on Nov 17 2021 12:11pm
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Nov 17 2021 12:20pm
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Kinda weird how everyone that mains broken sin wants there skills unbanned yet every class has many skills banned because they are legitimately necessary to balance.


I mean yeah. On one hand, I get it as someone who loves playing sin. On the other, sins are currently positioned to be the strongest class even with the temporary rules against bos and martial skills.
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Nov 17 2021 12:23pm
Vita should be defined as having base dex and under 35% Block IMO. For reference, a budget Necro with Hoto + Maras + Raven Frost hits 19% block with base dex. In the last FPK tournament on D2GA, I believe up to 35% block was allowed. This seems to be a fair number IMO.

As for Jess' rule suggestions, I think they make a lot of sense. Hard to TvN without bos since you cannot side step spears properly. The moment you get golem slowed (without bos), would have to run away for 15 secs to wait out the slow. This only prolongs the duel unnecessarily. My thoughts are: Rather than banning BOS nor Martial arts, we should open up the door to other skills to be used (i.e., poison, decrep, etc.), but if we HAVE to limit something, then it should go like this (up to player to decide):

1) Allow martial arts and fireblast while fade is on
2) Allow BOS, but no martial arts or fireblast

For the record, I main both sin and necro. I think this is fair for both.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Nov 17 2021 12:27pm
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