iunno. it's like i said before, I'd miss the fhr off my 16060 vs fort. You gain 140% ed sure, but an extra frame of fhr > 300-400 dmg imo. Only real benefit is res, which I get more res outta my 6060, and I still get fhr! lol

I like my setup now, I just wish I could do more to get res easier and not lose so much dmg. I suppose I could solve that with db faith/fort, and some sorta messed up helm. But really nn. I'm getting plenty of zva practice, and plenty of zvz.
I've been toying with some theories, just haven't gotten the gear yet to follow through.

This post was edited by SwanoW on Feb 6 2010 04:57pm

sounds good, i always like hearing new idea/builds

i use 0 fhr on my ZvA, and 10fhr ZvZ via dungos, but honestly i dont worry about fhr at all.

Fort > 160-60-100 life(or 24fhr) imo because 300ed/30@res/chilling armor/def/135life(at lvl 90+).. if u dont wanna lose the 25fhr on ur 160-60,then put on fort and replace 5x 20life sc's with 5fhr's, ud still be gaining 35 life.

but u hafta use nos coil if u want to use gmb, so.... theres always trade offs,

maybe i should experiment with fhr...

Was thinking about using some fhr/max/ar scs tbh. But the only way I'll be putting fhrs in my invent is with 5-5's over 3-5's. Once I get my frw tiara next week I can do so. I'll have 190ish frw with etits once I get that for zva, so I can trim down some frw somewhere. If I go with 5-5's, I prolly switch off stab armor for zvz and go with a 100 life armor... prolly dusk, though that will cost a lot more, and take longer to find. They are exceedingly rare these days.

i have 180 frw(with tits out) ZvA, and 150 ZvZ, basically because i replace cats with highlords. Having high frw is really good because then u can run away from ga's, multi's, etc

i hate changing my inventory, idk y, i used to but now i just keep it the same, but switching 3/5's for 5/5's is def the best way to go imo if you want the fhr, A Dusk-4os-100 life will cost soo much fg and yeah, it'll probably be forever until soemone posts one ft.

This post was edited by Arelax on Feb 6 2010 05:18pm

I've only seen 1 100 life dusk this season. And it was in game, not ft. Believe I told Mew about this cause she was after one lol.
But I'm always looking for ways to improve my zon.
And I agree with changing out inventory. Only invent changing I'll do is to get rid of the gc/lc in my invent right now. They are both frw/ar/max, but I'd rather get 2% more frw, and 1% more frw vs the gc/lc setup. Though who knows, If I get this frw tiara, I can avoid replacing them with frw/ar/max, I can go max/ar/life and get 100 more life

This post was edited by SwanoW on Feb 6 2010 05:38pm

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lol you rich folk
i use one setup for zvz/zva
same for charms
and you dont wanna know how much i paid for my 100 life scarab husk

I pretty much use only one setup myself. But vs ele dmg chars, I change my gear up. I have res boots for trappers, res belt for +res, 60-60 for major stack, and 47 res coa for foh. I did the math once, it's like 320+ stack total for lite res. like 290+ for everything else. And I can hit a lot more lite res if I need, I also carry 3x 11 lite res modded charms that I switch in for other charms.

Really I want a setup so I don't have to swap in so much gear, cause I lose a lot of dmg when I do this shit

I have 91@res in hell mode(no anya Quest)

Changes from ZvA ZvZ

Nos coil Dungos
Fort 160-60-100life
Cats eye Highlords
120-45-30 2zon/30frw/2os (2x 40ed/9dex)
Kb gloves 2 pass/20ias/14str/14dex
Stormshield(w/ 15res/-15req) Stormshield (30ed/8dex/-15req)

Going ZvA ZvZ
I lose 45@res from (stormshield + Fort), but i gain 35light res from highlords.
I also go from 52/69/58/72 crit passives 55/70/60/74 crit passives


but i got a new setup i wanna test asap, i still need some gear tho

Do you stay with gmb for zvz zvz and vice versa?

This post was edited by SwanoW on Feb 7 2010 11:30am