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Feb 11 2015 02:39pm
Quote (Glyphic @ Feb 11 2015 03:33pm)
I agree that some of the changes might be strange, but it is a 15 year old game. After a while things change. Things NEED change. If they don't change the game gets boring. Without change a meta will NEVER change and therefore there is less opportunity to try different things. Obviously, new things will be difficult to try due to the age of the game, but different things are always welcome.
I agree that pooling is annoying but you can always do something about it. You play an HDIN for example. hvn, you know he pooled. Find the pool synch hammers on it when he goes for it.
Shouldn't be a big deal.
Its the same as when a druid tele's off to attempt resummoning.
You offensively strike to stop them or keep them on the run and unable to attack back.

/e Not trying to doubt your dueling ability or style Austin. I am well aware of your skills. Just pointing out that their is always a way.


Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 11 2015 03:35pm)
You must have never played again d2pk style IBS spam or corner trapping have you -_-

Not to be taken offensively, but you make it sound way easier than it is. A good player obviously will counter that (they an use their last bit of mana to ibs train the pool and safely tele there, etc). Then they can drink up all your mana etc.....


This, as a nec vs an HDIN, the din has to risk his onscreen visible spiraling close combat skill to guard a pool where a necro can be off map already shooting invisible homing 5 screen long missiles in the direction before he ever goes there, not worth the risk to take 3/4 ur life to attempt to play in a cheap way by camping mana that shouldn't even be there
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Feb 11 2015 02:39pm
Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 11 2015 04:27pm)
First of all... A hdin can still do 550+ PvP damage w/o conc on. That means, they can charge and spam hammers which do less damage, but still decent damage for PvP especially since it is unmitigated.

Second, meditation grants about 16-18 hp per 2seconds for a hdin, while 40 rep life only grants 3.9 per second = 7.8 ~ 8 per 2seconds.
With that in mind, a hdin with 40 rep will heal about 24 hp every 2seconds. That is 3x the GM limit.

Do with those numbers as you will. If you need the mafs lemme know.


It really seems like people are over hyping Hdins with east rule set. Trap/Druid/Nec all have pretty substantial advantage over hdin, and all are well equipped to aggress a low life hdin..

Edit: Hdins are dangerous when they're actively aggressing. The only scenario where this is a problem is if someone is using non GM amounts of integer absorb, and only in the case of vs trap, and only in the case of nulling MB damage.

This post was edited by young2093 on Feb 11 2015 02:42pm
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Feb 11 2015 02:40pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 11 2015 04:35pm)
You must have never played again d2pk style IBS spam or corner trapping have you -_-

Not to be taken offensively, but you make it sound way easier than it is. A good player obviously will counter that (they an use their last bit of mana to ibs train the pool and safely tele there, etc). Then they can drink up all your mana etc.....


No worries, I don't pride on d2. The odds of you or anyone else here offending me are well, non existent.

And to use your example:

If they do try that then they are neglecting their opponent.
If they neglect you then you attack. Obviously you need to be careful about how you do it, but that is a risk you take if they are neglecting you.
Same with them trying to rebo or anything else.
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Feb 11 2015 02:42pm
Quote (young2093 @ Feb 11 2015 03:39pm)
It really seems like people are over hyping Hdins with east rule set. Trap/Druid/Nec all have pretty substantial advantage over hdin, and all are well equipped to aggress a low life hdin..


This is what I'm saying, HDIN is easily beaten by literally almost every char in the entire game and the fued started because I 5-0'd this entire ladder on an HDIN, I was the only HDIN in a matter of like a year and a half and people got SO mad they lost to one they started this whole debate
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Feb 11 2015 02:43pm
Quote (young2093 @ Feb 11 2015 04:39pm)
It really seems like people are over hyping Hdins with east rule set. Trap/Druid/Nec all have pretty substantial advantage over hdin, and all are well equipped to aggress a low life hdin..


I agree that HDINs are being over hyped, but it isn't just about them. That is just the currently used example. I am referring to the pooling here obviously, because medi would only deal with dins, but v/ts were also talked about.

Quote (yostraydog @ Feb 11 2015 04:42pm)
This is what I'm saying, HDIN is easily beaten by literally almost every char in the entire game and the fued started because I 5-0'd this entire ladder on an HDIN, I was the only HDIN in a matter of like a year and a half and people got SO mad they lost to one they started this whole debate


That isn't true Austin. Who was it...Umm fuck. I can't remember who, but a few months ago someone hit like #2 on an hdin until he dropped because of a full schedule :D

This post was edited by Glyphic on Feb 11 2015 02:44pm
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Feb 11 2015 02:43pm
If Hammerdins were allowed to use Oak Sage charges they wouldn't lose any ft5 matchup.
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Feb 11 2015 02:45pm
Quote (straightedgerevenge @ Feb 11 2015 04:43pm)
If Hammerdins were allowed to use Oak Sage charges they wouldn't lose any ft5 matchup.


That isn't true at all.
it just means that the others can use oak or some other charge to even the fields.
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Feb 11 2015 02:45pm
Quote (yostraydog @ Feb 11 2015 04:42pm)
This is what I'm saying, HDIN is easily beaten by literally almost every char in the entire game and the fued started because I 5-0'd this entire ladder on an HDIN, I was the only HDIN in a matter of like a year and a half and people got SO mad they lost to one they started this whole debate


I think Dave was only other person?
Dave/Austin rank 1 on hdin, OP class!

With Medi/oak, Hdin is obviously really strong. I still think trap/druid/Nec are all better, though.

Quote (straightedgerevenge @ Feb 11 2015 04:43pm)
If Hammerdins were allowed to use Oak Sage charges they wouldn't lose any ft5 matchup.


Lol.


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Feb 11 2015 02:45pm
azn masta- 500 mana sin who uses ds over ls on ww sin

Rock yo bosy...

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Feb 11 2015 02:45pm
Quote (yostraydog @ Feb 11 2015 04:42pm)
This is what I'm saying, HDIN is easily beaten by literally almost every char in the entire game and the fued started because I 5-0'd this entire ladder on an HDIN, I was the only HDIN in a matter of like a year and a half and people got SO mad they lost to one they started this whole debate



Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. I'm just looking at the numbers lol. I didn't get 5-0'd, I'm not butt hurt, I'm not feuding, but I will say that a hdin is not easily beaten by "every" char in the game.
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