Gds man.

i agree that im not around all that much, but if i win a challenge or its voided, i get the first dibs on challenging up. i dont have to wait and let lower ranks challenge me. my challenge was not made prior to the decision, i said that if the challenge is voided, then i want to challenge aoz. since the decision was made that it was voided, i get the first say in whether i want to challenge or wait o be challenged.




shit like this is not allowed, because u cannot challenge before the duel is over. if the duel took place and mammal signed on first, then he gets to decide whether he wants to challenge the winner or loser. if he challenged the loser, then hayz would have to wait, if hayz signed on first then he is rightfully allowed to challenge the loser and mammal can challenge the winner.

A challenge being voided is the challenger's decision, not the one being challenged. For the one being challenged, it's a DRA. When I said it was voided, then at that point, anyone that could challenge either one of us had every right to. You saying a subjunctive phrase, "IF the challenge is voided, I WOULD like to challenge aoz." doesn't even constitute an exact statement. You had just as much chance to challenge up after I stated it was voided. If you feel Hayz was wrong in pre-challenging the loser of us, then you show doubt in your own:


[QUOTE=HayzBaby,May 12 2011 10:51pm]
Challenging the loser out of Busta and Jsp. Match ends tonight

This ^

is no different

[QUOTE=JSP_Homeboy,May 14 2011 01:55am]
if the challenge is voided id like to challenge aoz

Than this^

They were both prior to our challenge ending.

Tell me I'm wrong?

It's not always a DRA for the one being challenged. It's a case by case basis. Dodge rule is applied when the one being challenged has not responded to PM's and has not actively tried to set times and honor them for the match to happen.

This post was edited by ronnie17 on May 15 2011 08:09am

it is different because when a challenge is voided, its generally the fault of the challenger. if it was dra, then he must wait 24hr.

it wouldnt be fair if i said that the challenge is voided, and then a lower rank challenges him because he should have the first say on whether he wants to challenge up or take on another challenger.

in general, a void is somewhat treated like a win for both, a dra is treated as a loss for the challenged.

but like ronnie said, this is all a case by case basis and we try to take the fairest action in each situation.

The only exception to where the one being challenged can void it and it not be a DRA is if the challenger doesn't respond or put up any effort in order to complete their match. If it would be voided by the one whom is being challenged when the challenger actively attempts to do match, that would be a forfeit. So in any other case, it would be the same as a DRA in which it is counted as a loss. All I'm saying is that AFTER the challenge was formally voided, ANYONE had a chance to challenge. To void something is to pretty much act like it never happened. So it was as if neither of us were currently in challenge. I say if you're more active and see a chance to seize an opportunity, you have every right to and it's the other person's fault for not being as active. Pre-challenging just isn't fair for anyone and that's what this case is. Anything said otherwise would just be biased. Ethically and logically, this is what makes sense.

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i can see jsp_homeboys point of view tho as well. LOLragezz mistakenly put it as dra, swanow granted a 1 night extension, that one night extension was essentially over (12:55am) and the duel wasnt going to take place, so that means the challenge is being voided. he anticipated the decision in the matter, which was a correct one

pre challenging is when you say "challenging the winner of a and b" or "challenging the loser of a and b" when u challenge someone thats not in a challenge, then theres no real pre-challenge being performed. if you are in a challenge with someone and the person above you two is not in a challenge, you cannot say "i challenge X after my duel" because if u lose then you are not allowed to challenge, and if u win, then u can challenge immediately after ur duel before anyone else knows/has a chance to challenge, so there would be no point to doing that. a void is a diff situation and is thus treated as such.

unless another mediator in here has a diff opinion i think we should just let this one go and next time hopefully the duel can happen or things can go more smoothly.

It was a 2 day extension. You looked at it incorrectly and re-posted incorrectly... I made the choice to void after the extension was granted because I knew I would never be on at the same time as homeboy. Up until it being voided by me, it was still valid. Pre-challenging is pre-challenging. Everyone had the same chance to react and the more active people seized that. I had to do a match with Hayz because he saw the opportunity to challenge and seized it. If the mediators would take the time to actually look at what the other ones are doing before acting accordingly, then there would be no dilemma.

The only reason of my spot on the ladder being under I challenged the loser is because it was the lowest duel I could take. Skipping over ruthless while mammal was in a match. Knowing I'll be able to duel was the only reason I said I challenged loser regardless of void or dra was because mammal could always challenge above me regardless of me being under him.