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Feb 11 2015 02:27pm
First of all... A hdin can still do 550+ PvP damage w/o conc on. That means, they can charge and spam hammers which do less damage, but still decent damage for PvP especially since it is unmitigated.

Second, meditation grants about 16-18 hp per 2seconds for a hdin, while 40 rep life only grants 3.9 per second = 7.8 ~ 8 per 2seconds.
With that in mind, a hdin with 40 rep will heal about 24 hp every 2seconds. That is 3x the GM limit.

Do with those numbers as you will. If you need the mafs lemme know.
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 11 2015 04:24pm)
Who can prove that tho if no med is present. Against a guy who is super l8z already, he could be at any wp at any time. Hell you don't see him on the map

OFC this is extreme case, but anything is possible


If someone were that l8z, I would call a med. so it would end one way or the other :D

I understand it is an extreme example, but for the ladder right now, especially with Gerber on it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did cheat like that :D
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Quote (Glyphic @ Feb 11 2015 03:27pm)
If someone were that l8z, I would call a med. so it would end one way or the other :D

I understand it is an extreme example, but for the ladder right now, especially with Gerber on it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did cheat like that :D


No restrictions to ingame tactics, no such thing as "too l8z"

And that's a good thing
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Quote (Glyphic @ Feb 11 2015 04:16pm)
Yes, it would be annoying. BUT...There is always a downfall to that. For the nec to take advantage of the pool he has to be able to use it.
If I, happen to go through the moor holding alt, and I happen to find a large amount of mana pots. I MIGHT be tempted to:
A. Take it
B. Stand on it
C. Wait for him to go for it and stomp him
D. All of the above

That being said, my point isn't to allow, or ban anything specific. I am meerly pointing out that no matter what the match up is, if a player knows what they are against, then they should play accordingly. There is always a way to win. Obviously there will always be an advantage, be it gear, or m/u, it doesn't matter. If you play your class well enough you can win with skill.



I was under the assumption that in regards to pooling/spotting you don't guard the pool etc. It kinda defeats the purpose of pooling to begin with if you camp/IBS etc the pool when someone needs it.
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Quote (legen @ Feb 11 2015 04:26pm)
Absolutely not. Leaving the moor intentionally is a loss. Manas pool must be placed by the players before a duel, not during.

Thats the one thing ill never allow from the euro standard, people intentionally stopping the duel to go to a2 over and over, or stopping the duel to re bo, and ofc while doing so intentionally delaying a duel or repping.

For no reason does a duel stop in an event as such. You may be nice and not attack someone when you see someones bo run out, or freeze in spot lagging, you may even stop to tell them or ask them if its okay, but you sure as hell dont need to stop yourself from killing them if it happens. Managing your own bo or mana is still part of the game, re boing or grabbing manas you already pooled for the duels is for you to do during the duel, while your dueling


Someone who is going to l8z and play "bm" will find way to sneak around to cheap his way to a win.

I've seen it happen and I've caught people red handed. Its best to not allow it at all.
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Quote (yostraydog @ Feb 11 2015 04:25pm)
Actually agree with azn and young, pooling is the dumbest idea ever, good luck to the HDIN dueling the nec that ONLY spirits and teles away 24/7 but now has infinite mana... Haha, how about you stop trying to change rules to a custom what you think is right max, d2 rules were fine for 9 years before everyone who was good quit and you decided you could change shit lol.. Nobody in a real duel would consider 50% of your changes compared to the past rules... Just sayin.


I agree that some of the changes might be strange, but it is a 15 year old game. After a while things change. Things NEED change. If they don't change the game gets boring. Without change a meta will NEVER change and therefore there is less opportunity to try different things. Obviously, new things will be difficult to try due to the age of the game, but different things are always welcome.
I agree that pooling is annoying but you can always do something about it. You play an HDIN for example. hvn, you know he pooled. Find the pool synch hammers on it when he goes for it.
Shouldn't be a big deal.
Its the same as when a druid tele's off to attempt resummoning.
You offensively strike to stop them or keep them on the run and unable to attack back.

/e Not trying to doubt your dueling ability or style Austin. I am well aware of your skills. Just pointing out that their is always a way.

This post was edited by Glyphic on Feb 11 2015 02:35pm
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Quote (young2093 @ Feb 11 2015 04:29pm)
I was under the assumption that in regards to pooling/spotting you don't guard the pool etc. It kinda defeats the purpose of pooling to begin with if you camp/IBS etc the pool when someone needs it.



Na that's part of the strategy. There has to be some kind of strategic aspect to it. Can't just back off and let your opponent swoop in and mana back to full. If the need to grab mana, they have to do it at their own risk.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 11 2015 04:30pm)
Someone who is going to l8z and play "bm" will find way to sneak around to cheap his way to a win.

I've seen it happen and I've caught people red handed. Its best to not allow it at all.



Agreed, I can think of a few people who would abuse and sneak to win
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Quote (Glyphic @ Feb 11 2015 04:33pm)
I agree that some of the changes might be strange, but it is a 15 year old game. After a while things change. Things NEED change. If they don't change the game gets boring. Without change a meta will NEVER change and therefore there is less opportunity to try different things. Obviously, new things will be difficult to try due to the age of the game, but different things are always welcome.
I agree that pooling is annoying but you can always do something about it. You play an HDIN for example. hvn, you know he pooled. Find the pool synch hammers on it when he goes for it.
Shouldn't be a big deal.
Its the same as when a druid tele's off to attempt resummoning.
You offensively strike to stop them or keep them on the run and unable to attack back.


You must have never played again d2pk style IBS spam or corner trapping have you -_-

Not to be taken offensively, but you make it sound way easier than it is. A good player obviously will counter that (EX: they can use their last bit of mana to ibs train the pool and safely tele there, etc). Then they can drink up all your mana etc..... More examples can be made, but that was just something i came up with in 5 seconds.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Feb 11 2015 02:36pm
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Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 11 2015 03:27pm)
First of all... A hdin can still do 550+ PvP damage w/o conc on. That means, they can charge and spam hammers which do less damage, but still decent damage for PvP especially since it is unmitigated.

Second, meditation grants about 16-18 hp per 2seconds for a hdin, while 40 rep life only grants 3.9 per second = 7.8 ~ 8 per 2seconds.
With that in mind, a hdin with 40 rep will heal about 24 hp every 2seconds. That is 3x the GM limit.

Do with those numbers as you will. If you need the mafs lemme know.


I did this 5 pages back rofl.
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Feb 11 2015 02:37pm
Quote (legen @ Feb 11 2015 04:36pm)
I did this 5 pages back rofl.



My bad, there's super mega mega spam.
So you see how it could be abused right?
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