Personally, I don't like the idea of pooling/spotting without both consenting. THAT certainly potentially promotes overly defensive play. Consider things in a "top tier" competitive environment. Do you honestly think someone is running out of Mana from constantly offensing? Hell no, some one would die before Mana became an issue (if you're character is built correctly, IE making Mana a priority stat, SoJ instead of BK etc). It's not even about 1000s of FG. There are many things you can do to be more Mana efficient besides Bmanas, and the unperm variants are fucking 5 FG.. i should at least have the option to deny someone more Mana if I think all its going to do is let them further play overly defensive when it's not warranted.

Possibility:

Pools/spots/Meditation allowed if both consent (never Medi is allowed just for Mana)
HoW/Oak/Grizzly if both consent

The only problem with providing mana and Meditation alike is IF the player is going to use it to compliment an overly defensive play style. This just goes along with "overly defensive play can result in DQ at mediators discretion if one is requested". Defensive play is part of the game. There are matchups that warrant it. Low HP warrants it. It's only a bad thing when someone (not targeting anyone specific) is doing it when it isn't warranted (outside of matchups where you logically have to defense to win, when you're at full HP..).

Once you allow a skill that can be "abused" it makes for VERY hard monitoring. You don't want a bunch of PUA's in here who will run off the map to "med" to get "mana" back etc.... MED should be bm 100%

I don't like the idea of pooling either without mutual consent. Like young said, every character can be build in a certain way. We all have the option of choosing say, an soj over a bk ring. There is a reason why 15dex/40life/90 mana rings cost more than 15dex/60life crafted rings, etc.... In order to gain something, you must sacrifice something else. A guy who chooses to use a 500-600 mana character should knows what hes getting himself into and does so at his/her own risk. On the flip side, knowing that, the opponent should be able to defeat him by "hitting him where it hurts." Its kinda like "a really strong buff guy" who never does cardio vs a "nimble and quick guy who can last for 12 rounds." If you get hit once by the big guy, can seriously get fucked, where as the "quicker" guy has to wear down his opponent. If the big guy is STRONG and has endurance... then we have a problem. Gotta make it fair somehow.

Not a huge fan of 700 mana necs who just ibs spam for days with 40 life rep.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Feb 11 2015 02:06pm

700 mana nec whom ibs?
I would love a 700 mana nec lol. That is low and manageable...
its the 2k mana necs that become an issue

Thats my point exactly... now imagine that 700 mana nec, but since pooling is allowed, its basically a 7000 mana nec now. With that much mana, you could literally ibs 24/7 indifferently until you land a lucky train

Rules that leave any opening can always get abused. Its best to set everything in stone and rule out any possibility of "bullshit" plays

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Feb 11 2015 02:14pm

Yes, it would be annoying. BUT...There is always a downfall to that. For the nec to take advantage of the pool he has to be able to use it.
If I, happen to go through the moor holding alt, and I happen to find a large amount of mana pots. I MIGHT be tempted to:
A. Take it
B. Stand on it
C. Wait for him to go for it and stomp him
D. All of the above

That being said, my point isn't to allow, or ban anything specific. I am meerly pointing out that no matter what the match up is, if a player knows what they are against, then they should play accordingly. There is always a way to win. Obviously there will always be an advantage, be it gear, or m/u, it doesn't matter. If you play your class well enough you can win with skill.

This post was edited by Glyphic on Feb 11 2015 02:20pm

Pooling can also be done via going to act2 and buying from that dude who sells potions but doenst heal u

No it can't.

That violates the no towning rule.
A. you town and use the wp, which counts as a loss
B. you use CP wp, which violates the going to cp rule


This post was edited by Glyphic on Feb 11 2015 02:22pm

Who can prove that tho if no med is present. Against a guy who is super l8z already, he could be at any wp at any time. Hell you don't see him on the map

OFC this is extreme case, but anything is possible

Actually agree with azn and young, pooling is the dumbest idea ever, good luck to the HDIN dueling the nec that ONLY spirits and teles away 24/7 but now has infinite mana... Haha, how about you stop trying to change rules to a custom what you think is right max, d2 rules were fine for 9 years before everyone who was good quit and you decided you could change shit lol.. Nobody in a real duel would consider 50% of your changes compared to the past rules... Just sayin.

Absolutely not. Leaving the moor intentionally is a loss. Manas pool must be placed by the players before a duel, not during.

Thats the one thing ill never allow from the euro standard, people intentionally stopping the duel to go to a2 over and over, or stopping the duel to re bo, and ofc while doing so intentionally delaying a duel or repping.

For no reason does a duel stop in an event as such. You may be nice and not attack someone when you see someones bo run out, or freeze in spot lagging, you may even stop to tell them or ask them if its okay, but you sure as hell dont need to stop yourself from killing them if it happens. Managing your own bo or mana is still part of the game, re boing or grabbing manas you already pooled for the duels is for you to do during the duel, while your dueling


Allowing pots is by far the fairest way to play for both sides of a matchup. I'm not going to advacate any sort of duel where you wait your opponent to the point he is completely unable to play anymore. Its skillless, boring, takes HOURS, and isnt fun for either side. If ypu dont like it, like i said you dont have to participate

This post was edited by legen on Feb 11 2015 02:32pm