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Aug 15 2015 04:01pm
Quote (trix123 @ Aug 15 2015 05:58pm)
Maybe just 2-3 days without receiving a reply. Or if it's obvious they aren't making any effort to get the challenge completed?


The problem with 6 day challenges is potentially leaving duels undecided and a bulk of material for the updater to handle at the end of the week.
That change really only benefits people who are unavailable for x days during every week and actually punishes people who more consistently available throughout.

IE: Participant A is available at least at some point every day throughout the week while dueled B is available only on the weekend.
If participant A isn't around at the times on those days when B is available then B can justify a dodge/null even though he was only available for less than half the week while A was available everyday at some point. It just leaves too much room to manipulate nulls.

I'd rather a system than rewards someone for being available everyday or most days at some points than someone who's available all day for a few days.

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Aug 15 2015 04:04pm
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The problem with 6 day challenges is potentially leaving duels undecided and a bulk of material for the updater to handle at the end of the week.


Without those it defeats the purpose of having a weekly ladder if challenges only last 3 days
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Aug 15 2015 04:09pm
Quote (LucAA @ Aug 15 2015 06:01pm)
The problem with 6 day challenges is potentially leaving duels undecided and a bulk of material for the updater to handle at the end of the week.
That change really only benefits people who are unavailable for x days during every week and actually punishes people who more consistently available throughout.

IE: Participant A is available at least at some point every day throughout the week while dueled B is available only on the weekend.
If participant A isn't around at the times on those days when B is available then B can justify a dodge/null even though he was only available for less than half the week while A was available everyday at some point. It just leaves too much room to manipulate nulls.

I'd rather a system than rewards someone for being available everyday or most days at some points than someone who's available all day for a few days.


I completely agree with this, also:

Quote (LucAA @ Aug 15 2015 05:51pm)
Prefer it to stay 3 day.
You could always rechallenge.
Going to be impossible to sort out dodges on a weekly basis.


If you are allowed to rechallenge if the duel is nulled then there is no need for a change.
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Aug 15 2015 04:11pm
Quote (Khaz @ Aug 15 2015 06:04pm)
Without those it defeats the purpose of having a weekly ladder if challenges only last 3 days


Not at all? No one is forced to challenge anyone in the beginning of the week and if you honestly can't find some time to defend yourself over a period of 72 hours (96 with extension....) then you deserve the loss. If you can at least make an effort to complete the duel over any 3 days of the 6 day period then you can't justify awarding a dodge, which results in a null, and you can still challenge again before the end of the week.

The week gives the updater time to manage things, no one should need an entire week every week to complete any challenge. If you're unavailable Monday - Thursday for a week, you should request a vacation. If you're unavailable EVERY week Monday - Thursday you deserve any losses you might acquire from someone challenging you early.

Were basically punishing people for trying to get their duels done early with this change lmao.
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Aug 15 2015 04:16pm
Idk neither you nor I am the updater
I say let Glyphic decided : )
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Aug 15 2015 04:19pm
Quote (Khaz @ Aug 15 2015 06:16pm)
Idk neither you nor I am the updater
I say let Glyphic decided : )


I started this entire ladder 100% by myself, but that's completely irrelevant.
Logic should decide any changes here, and I don't see the logic in ANYONE requiring an entire week, every week, to get a duel done.
The LADDER is weekly based, that doesn't mean duels should take a week. That is not ideal at all.
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Aug 15 2015 04:21pm
Quote (Khaz @ Aug 15 2015 06:16pm)
Idk neither you nor I am the updater
I say let Glyphic decided : )


I am game for keeping it the way it is. 3 day challenges. I believe it will keep it more active throughout the week rather than everyone waiting until the last day, which I believe would happen more often.
That being said, if a duel is unable to be arranged within the time frame a re-challenge can be issued.
There is no reason to change it if rechallenging is possible.

To clarify.

These:
Quote (Glyphic @ Aug 15 2015 01:32pm)
(3.) Glyphic Vs. (2.) Ronin Aug 10 2015 12:29pm - nulled

(3.) Glyphic Vs. (4.) Gregs_D2 Aug 10 2015 12:29pm - dodged

(6.) Firestone805 Vs. (7.) OreoStallion Aug 10 2015 11:20pm - nulled


Can still be completed this week as there was a ton of confusion.
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Aug 15 2015 04:23pm
Quote (LucAA @ Aug 15 2015 05:19pm)
I started this entire ladder 100% by myself, but that's completely irrelevant.
Logic should decide any changes here, and I don't see the logic in ANYONE requiring an entire week, every week, to get a duel done.
The LADDER is weekly based, that doesn't mean duels should take a week. That is not ideal at all.


Yes but some people obviously cant get on within a 3 day span if duels are getting nulled... I think that maybe the ladder should be reset on monday to tuesday or maybe tuesday wednesday so that people will have the weekend to duel when not everyone is on different schedules because of their job..

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Quote (Glyphic @ Aug 15 2015 06:21pm)
I am game for keeping it the way it is. 3 day challenges. I believe it will keep it more active throughout the week rather than everyone waiting until the last day, which I believe would happen more often.
That being said, if a duel is unable to be arranged within the time frame a re-challenge can be issued.
There is no reason to change it if rechallenging is possible.

To clarify.

These:


Can still be completed this week as there was a ton of confusion.


I think people should really push the issue early in the week to get their duels done.
People who can manage this will take priority over people who can't. If you make an effort to duel multiple times and your opponent is avoiding you just to keep a null on the back burner at the end of the week, you should be awarded the win and your opponent awarded a dodge. If both people are making an effort and it doesnt happen, the ability to rechallenge is there to give everyone a second change to complete duels that just couldnt happen realistically earlier in the week. If they then still cant manage to complete the duel and both people are trying, a null is the only realistic conclusions and that's just the reality of a ladder.
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Aug 15 2015 04:28pm
Quote (Khaz @ Aug 15 2015 06:23pm)
Yes but some people obviously cant get on within a 3 day span if duels are getting nulled... I think that maybe the ladder should be reset on monday to tuesday so that people will have the weekend to duel when not everyone is on different schedules because of their job..


As the updater I have no issues pushing back the end time on sundays to midnight and then having it updated between midnight and noon on monday.
This way if a duel can't be completed until the weekend you can still get it done. That because obviously anything that is not posted/completed by midnight is nulled.

3 day challenges, if it is nulled you can rechallenge as long as it is completed before the end of the weekly reset.

Does that work for everyone?

Quote (LucAA @ Aug 15 2015 06:24pm)
I think people should really push the issue early in the week to get their duels done.
People who can manage this will take priority over people who can't. If you make an effort to duel multiple times and your opponent is avoiding you just to keep a null on the back burner at the end of the week, you should be awarded the win and your opponent awarded a dodge. If both people are making an effort and it doesnt happen, the ability to rechallenge is there to give everyone a second change to complete duels that just couldnt happen realistically earlier in the week. If they then still cant manage to complete the duel and both people are trying, a null is the only realistic conclusions and that's just the reality of a ladder.


If they are avoiding you all week then yes, they would be awarded a dodge or removed for an inability to compete with their "busy" schedule.

This post was edited by Glyphic on Aug 15 2015 04:30pm
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