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Feb 11 2015 10:40am
Quote (adzama @ Feb 11 2015 04:50am)
no, it doesn't, that's completely retarded. if i have no mana left and no pool i'm going to stand in a corner with 5 traps around me because chasing is no longer a possibility. it would just make duels even dumber and more drawn out, and make advantage duels like tvn and dvn even more unfair, unless you have tens of thousands of fg to spend on charms that don't even exist outside this realm.



i don't like this. i shouldn't have to pay tens of thousands of fg on a dead game just to have non retarded duels. bmanas should be a luxury, not a necessity. i don't really agree with any of your comparisons either. you can't compare healing pots to mana pots at all; life rep has a GM cap, mana regen does not. i also don't see what the problem with removing medi is about? a ton of skills are "wasted" i.e not used at all in gm dueling. "wasting" an entire skill shouldn't even be a factor here


This is how I've always thought...
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Feb 11 2015 10:42am
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Feb 10 2015 07:33pm)
Fact.





Not facts.

Decent barb should beat Smiters all day.


you've never beat my smiter. Ever.

Fact.
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Feb 11 2015 10:50am
Iso someone to sum up the argument so I can weigh in without reading all the nonsense
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Feb 11 2015 11:08am
Quote (jlzm @ Feb 11 2015 12:50pm)
Iso someone to sum up the argument so I can weigh in without reading all the nonsense



Meditation; keep it or ban it?

People think it is abused (or used for rep life instead of only mana regen)



IMO, make mana pooling only allowed if both players agree, and make it so paladins can still use meditation, but that they have to count the life rep from the passive prayer bonus in their cap of 40.
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Feb 11 2015 11:16am
I agree that mana pooling tends to encourage spamming/l8z. But to require consent gives one party an advantage. I'll give you an example.. That 1-5 of me vs legen's mb nec. Even though I got rekt, spirit spam is part of his strategy and I could go 2 rounds without having to visit Akara for mana. So when he wanted to pool the moor I said hell no. I, or anyone for that matter, could have manipulated his spirit-spam strategy and deliberately run him out of mana.

even though I lost, that little bit about the mana gave me an edge and is unfair imo. I'm all for mana pooling, just don't cry when I don't dive into spirit waves/trains/spam.

Quote (n9neballking @ Feb 11 2015 12:17pm)
teles away for 6 mins straight. says his mana was an advantage. lol



You're missing the point.

This post was edited by KungPeriodFu on Feb 11 2015 11:20am
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I agree that mana pooling tends to encourage spamming/l8z. But to require consent gives one party an advantage. I'll give you an example.. That 1-5 of me vs legen's mb nec. Even though I got rekt, spirit spam is part of his strategy and I could go 2 rounds without having to visit Akara for mana. So when he wanted to pool the moor I said hell no. I, or anyone for that matter, could have manipulated his spirit-spam strategy and deliberately run him out of mana.

even though I lost, that little bit about the mana gave me an edge and is unfair imo. I'm all for mana pooling, just don't cry when I don't dive into spirit waves/trains/spam.


teles away for 6 mins straight. says his mana was an advantage. lol
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Feb 11 2015 11:54am
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Feb 11 2015 01:16pm)
I agree that mana pooling tends to encourage spamming/l8z. But to require consent gives one party an advantage. I'll give you an example.. That 1-5 of me vs legen's mb nec. Even though I got rekt, spirit spam is part of his strategy and I could go 2 rounds without having to visit Akara for mana. So when he wanted to pool the moor I said hell no. I, or anyone for that matter, could have manipulated his spirit-spam strategy and deliberately run him out of mana.

even though I lost, that little bit about the mana gave me an edge and is unfair imo. I'm all for mana pooling, just don't cry when I don't dive into spirit waves/trains/spam.




You're missing the point.


you weren't running out of mana because you don't know how to chase on barb. does anyone else notice the hilarity of a barb deliberately running a nec out of mana instead of just attacking? how can you bitch about pools encouraging l8z when that's all you even try to do? (on a fucking barb nonetheless sigh)

pools should absolutely be allowed, it doesn't give anyone an advantage. if you're losing to someone who only runs and spams it's probably because you suck at playing offensively. pools let both parties continuously chase instead of one person just running away until the other person is out of mana. there's a reason why pools have been 100% gm on every realm except east, and it's not just because of bmanas. there's really no reason why they shouldn't always be allowed, but whatever
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Feb 11 2015 11:56am
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you weren't running out of mana because you don't know how to chase on barb. does anyone else notice the hilarity of a barb deliberately running a nec out of mana instead of just attacking? how can you bitch about pools encouraging l8z when that's all you even try to do? (on a fucking barb nonetheless sigh)

pools should absolutely be allowed, it doesn't give anyone an advantage. if you're losing to someone who only runs and spams it's probably because you suck at playing offensively. pools let both parties continuously chase instead of one person just running away until the other person is out of mana. there's a reason why pools have been 100% gm on every realm except east, and it's not just because of bmanas. there's really no reason why they shouldn't always be allowed, but whatever



You also missed the point lol...
Just to be clear, I support the current rule: consent is not required to pool the moor.
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Feb 11 2015 12:00pm
Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 11 2015 01:08pm)
Meditation; keep it or ban it?

People think it is abused (or used for rep life instead of only mana regen)



IMO, make mana pooling only allowed if both players agree, and make it so paladins can still use meditation, but that they have to count the life rep from the passive prayer bonus in their cap of 40.


Yeah I feel like med encourages defensive play but at the same time there are a lot of instances like it, hence druid needing to resummon or recast cyclone

But I think it should just be 1 pt so it doesn't become op, or like you said add to their gm rep cap

Mana pots in moore.. who cares if both agree, leave like it is
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Feb 11 2015 12:01pm
Quote (jlzm @ Feb 11 2015 02:00pm)
Yeah I feel like med encourages defensive play but at the same time there are a lot of instances like it, hence druid needing to resummon or recast cyclone

But I think it should just be 1 pt so it doesn't become op, or like you said add to their gm rep cap

Mana pots in moore.. who cares if both agree, leave like it is


its no longer if both agree though.
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