ahh
I need to reskill to blizzard sorc then

Agree... Change rules

tbh, banning warmth made es fb unplayable, so very good idea to remove such a fun char from pvp pool.
And those tests, hmm, no comment. Testing in d2lod which is different game, with sorc with 6.5k mana which is not reachable atm for anyone. So you see whats your decision made, all es fb players play this tour with different chars, that was your point?
Because I assume you were trying to proove that it's still ok Seems es fb players dont think the same.

This are just temporary rule changes to balance esfb (imo not needed at all).
All esfbs i talked to say it unplayable. I think/hope rules will change in the future.

Btw with 5 amas in the run their is no way an esfb would win this;)

can some1 tell me the reason why there is so much hate for FB es soso? I don't really get it. No warmth no mana pots even for soso using 70%es hm. I mean am I the only one who can't find any sense in this?
I assume there was to many lame sorc playing def to the limit but there are ways to deal with it I thought.
And 1 more thing. Vita FB is not a thing in comparison to blizz. As far as I'm concerned, the playstyle should be much more risky with FB, needs more tankiness. Also the only reason some ppl play es in range 70-80es is the high lvl of warmth from fire skills which synergies well with this kind of build. Why kill it.
Please, do not think I came here to cry, I'm perfectly fine playing other league and rules, but I'm genuinely interested in the reason. lmk!

it's funny how people complain about es fb, so much complains on pub games even from good experienced players (not everyone obviously, there are people who understands that each class got his own adventages and disadvantages so do es fb.), that they run too much, hard to catch, lol guys srsly. This is how you should play certain matchups.
And that should be your way to feel better, just ban warmth lol.

This post was edited by jarzel on Dec 2 2021 09:54am

Btw I wonder how you gonna test your changes of banning warmth when as a result noone plays es fb any longer. Buahah, your logic is awesome (btw, flaming middles on twitch that what we talk here is shit, and fen0 talking that we complain without a reason because he would beat all who complains makes situation even more funny)
Nvm, gl testing new rule without any players to play it

There is a fire sorc currently signed up?

unplayable for you maybe, ok for the rest with at the actual state of the game, we made test both with 6 and 4k mana with and w/o % regen but u didnt looked deep i assume

from the test we made, the problem of sorc deffing is not the dmg but the sustain, we were either focusing on reduce life rep ( hard cause of build potential hoto etc ) / or do smt to the mana, the solution were reduce regen/reduce es%/reduce tk ....

because at the actual state of the game with low gear and stuff , and the average skill we got atm ( brand new game , new mechanincs, old mechs were removed ) sorc es/fb was just too abused.

at first we were all conscious there was a problem with the trapper, but sorc atm, at a standard d2r skill lvl is just too op if u play for the win.

the other solution was to focus on the overlydef part of the actual sorc es/fb players, but i dont think any of our participant meant to overlydef, it is part of how the char is, would be kinda hard in some situation

we made those rules with 5 person approval, some of these players won multiple 1v1 tour as sorc es/fb



there is no hate, sorry if it feels like that.

we are trying to make the game fair for everyone, if we put 95% precast warmth mana pots everyone will play es/fb, at least everyone that really want the win no matter what
at least in a double elimination bracket

so, to make it short, too much sorc es/fb , too much looooong match cuz of the playstyle, too much admin for overlydef rule, not balanced at actual state of game

if u guys realise we are far to have pro players here in our tour, we try to adapt the rules to make it fair/fun for everyone, this rule modification woudnt apply if it was only top end players in the tours





we tought about class adv in this rule

- necro should still lose 100% to es/fb sorc after this rule ( it was not made for the nec to win the only matchup he hardly loss )

- smite/foh doesnt rly work anymore or at least is not as efficiant as it was before 2018, it is even harder now as hdin to win this mu ( pala still has his 100% win mu vs barb tho but another story )

also there is ways to counter es sorc that our participants doesnt seem to abuse, either cuz they are expensive or because they dont even know or want to use them.

a question for this would be, should we focus on the high end tier lvl and let ppl learn by themself how to win a certain mu, or should we just give em the keys or what?

the rules we apply for this specific tour were not the same we used for the last tour and prolly wont be the next ones and are certainly not the top tier player rules

they are not our rules, they are not overall european rules, and we plan to do a lot of tours and the rules will always be evolving with the time and the metagame

maybe we are doing bad, i dont know, but just so u know , we appreciate every feedback, just keep in mind if we had to made the rules for ourself they would be different, but here we listen to everyone ( including you, but if 20 other ppl say the contrary we will prolly try new things )

i hope u got our point, we like feedback, we try to do beter for the community and the game



actually we got the winner of the 1st 1v1 tour playing

she was/is es/fb

she did play without precast and with warmth

now its gonna be the contrary, more dammage / less survability


big thanks to him for joining again and trying

This post was edited by desk8 on Dec 2 2021 11:04am