Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 22 2011 07:05pm)

Anytime!



Bullshit. Just because you don't know me doesn't mean I'm new to melee at all...some of the builds you see today came from me, I had the first legit cruel fools zerk ever, amongst a number of other things, I just quit for 6 years. Besides, I don't care what Jess did back then, I know now she's an idiot, I have no respect for her, her attitude, or anything she ever has to say, and I don't say these things without just cause. I have a history with her that warrants this kind of emotional response towards her. The things that come from her keyboard flat out amaze me sometimes, I just can't grasp the concept that there are people out there that are really that close minded and stupid.

She may have maintained the ladder, but her attitude now is one of entitlements like she's some kind of royalty.

In order to keep things moving you have to be willing to discuss change, even if that change never actually happens, it still needs to be there for debate. There are no founded claims to actually banning poison, truth is, back when it was first banned, people were filling their inventories with psn charms, and people got lazy and tired of enforcing rules and checking inventories, so it was just easier to ban them.

The whole point of this thread is to have discussion, debate, and advance the melee community, and it would seem clear that not only does Jess have no interest in making any kind of progress or open dialogue, but that perhaps you don't either.




I agree, but I think his point was it's pretty obvious who would be stacking psn charms or using a 451, as the amount of life taken from it is far greater than say a cap of 50 total. If suspicious you check the inventory, and/or use a ref, because the effect of minor psn dmg like say 7 that's on some of the rares, is little to none.

Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 22 2011 08:05pm)

I agree, but I think his point was it's pretty obvious who would be stacking psn charms or using a 451, as the amount of life taken from it is far greater than say a cap of 50 total. If suspicious you check the inventory, and/or use a ref, because the effect of minor psn dmg like say 7 that's on some of the rares, is little to none.

Quote (dark-soul @ Sep 22 2011 07:25pm)

you should be mature enough to get over past history and not flame someone. You asked "what moron gave her authority" so I explained why she runs the ladder. If you dont like it and have a problem with her then dont be on her ladder. I was debating the rule and put my reasons as to why it should be bm so don't see how I dont debate. I know the reasons why it was originally banned and said why it should stay banned.

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1. It would require checking everyone's charms to make sure they meet the poison cap
2. Poison does a lot more dmg than is on the wep. Brings life replenish to 0 which hurts a bit since dungos, fort etc will get cancelled out so it makes that poison dmg a lot higher.
3. With that logic of allowing poison then grief should be gm since it's banned for the poison (although it's overpowered which should be main reason imo).
4. Also the only chars that can leach life back is pallies so poison really hurts furies/concers more.

Quote (Fusa @ Sep 22 2011 07:30pm)

There are always ppl who try to sneak in something that's not allowed...

Either way, the main reason I'm against changing any cap is because there will always be a next time and a time after that when someone has found something new but can't use it because of the ele cap.

I know you and jess don't get along but seriously calm down. No need for personal attacks or flames.

Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 23 2011 12:05am)

Anytime!

Bullshit. Just because you don't know me doesn't mean I'm new to melee at all...some of the builds you see today came from me, I had the first legit cruel fools zerk ever, amongst a number of other things, I just quit for 6 years. Besides, I don't care what Jess did back then, I know now she's an idiot, I have no respect for her, her attitude, or anything she ever has to say, and I don't say these things without just cause. I have a history with her that warrants this kind of emotional response towards her. The things that come from her keyboard flat out amaze me sometimes, I just can't grasp the concept that there are people out there that are really that close minded and stupid.

She may have maintained the ladder, but her attitude now is one of entitlements like she's some kind of royalty.

In order to keep things moving you have to be willing to discuss change, even if that change never actually happens, it still needs to be there for debate. There are no founded claims to actually banning poison, truth is, back when it was first banned, people were filling their inventories with psn charms, and people got lazy and tired of enforcing rules and checking inventories, so it was just easier to ban them.

The whole point of this thread is to have discussion, debate, and advance the melee community, and it would seem clear that not only does Jess have no interest in making any kind of progress or open dialogue, but that perhaps you don't either.

I agree, but I think his point was it's pretty obvious who would be stacking psn charms or using a 451, as the amount of life taken from it is far greater than say a cap of 50 total. If suspicious you check the inventory, and/or use a ref, because the effect of minor psn dmg like say 7 that's on some of the rares, is little to none.

Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 22 2011 07:31pm)

I'm not on her ladder, I got off that shit months ago. I am mature enough to get over past history, there's only 1 problem, it's not past, it's ongoing.




If that's all you have on this matter, then you no longer need to speak on it at all, as Christian already refuted all of your points quite nicely.

1.So what, don't be lazy, not like challenges aren't important or anything, is it really that difficult to take a few extra seconds to check a charm set. Not to mention this really only needs to be done if you suspect someone of cheating.
2.It does not, it's been proven by several of us that have actually tested and tried things out.
3.Grief does not fall in this category because of it's Chance to Strike property, so it would stay banned and does not belong in this discussion.
4.Pallies can't life leech at all in melee duels, so not sure where you got this misinformation from, life leech does not work pvp, but rep life does, and it's universal, not limited to just pallies.


Any thing else?






I'm not that upset, I'm just articulating my point in an aggressive manner

And let's be realistic, I'm not even flaming or personally attacking her that harshly, those are intelligent words with my opinions voiced behind them, it's an open discussion forum, I'm entitled to that much.

Quote (dark-soul @ Sep 22 2011 07:40pm)

was talking about life tap. Yes poison works like that. I'll post more later busy atm

Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 22 2011 07:43pm)

Life tap is irrelevant because it's not allowed vs non pallies, so again, how are Fury and Conc at a disadvantage?

Quote (dark-soul @ Sep 22 2011 07:49pm)

poison effects pallies less because we tap our life back the others dont have tap. The only good argument I've heard was about torch. But in the end its to easy to take advantage of poison damage in duels

Quote (dark-soul @ Sep 22 2011 07:49pm)

poison effects pallies less because we tap our life back the others dont have tap. The only good argument I've heard was about torch. But in the end its to easy to take advantage of poison damage in duels

Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Sep 22 2011 07:55pm)

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying it's irrelevant because a pally vs a fury or a barb can not use an exile, so there is NO LIFE TAP, making the psn dmg effect the same for all chars involved. I still don't understand how psn hurts fury/conc more then a pally when vsing each other...pally vs pally like you said will make no difference because of life tap...make sense?