quote came from me. Like I said it wasn't the first time its come up and I have given the same reasons as to why it should stay bm each time.

Compared to torch DMg and duration, the effect and length of a few psn DMg on a weapon is almost negligible. Test it yourself if you do not believe me. For that reason I disagrees with points 2,3,&4. I mean, that is the whole point of having a cap in the first place, to control excessive DMg.

The real issue would be the inventory checking, which I do agree would be a problem.

This post was edited by Christian_X on Sep 22 2011 11:35am

Having only 1 100 psn dmg sc makes the psn damage visible and easy to catch don't really see that as that big of a problem. If I used ele dmg scs in my inventory there would be no dedinitive method to verify if I'm using the alowed amount. Ele dmg poses if not the same even more of an issue than psn.

Agreed. At least with psn you know who to check. Other ele DMg is much easier to hide.

Exactly

It's a stupid rule that's been around for as long as I have been Zealing, and I have always disagreed with it. There are caps on other ele dmg, so there should be caps on Psn Dmg. Bringing up Grief is just idiotic as it does not even pertain to this discussion. Like Jason and Chris have already stated, it is easy to ascertain who is using more psn dmg then a small cap (say 25-50 range) as that much psn does little to no dmg at all, and the duration is miniscule. It's an ancient and archaic rule that needs to die.

Expecting Jess to have an intelligent, relevant response to anything is seriously asking to much. I've just learned to ignore her after the whole cry baby incident months back that followed with a million excuses stretching from her friend setting her kitchen on fire, to her being on the phone and about to lose her kid as to why she lost the duel and didn't say anything about it being an angled duel...not sure how or what moron gave her any kind of authority, but that should be changed asap as well.

Melee has been slowly dying for a while now, we have to adapt and make changes to keep things fresh, keep people interested, other wise what's the point, it's just the same old shit year after year.

Thank you!

ridiculous. Jess took over the ladder since she was the only one who stepped up and maintained the ladder. Without her there wouldn't be a ugml in the first place so there wouldn't be any melee ladders now. Don't be so ungrateful just because you're newer to melee and don't like things. Arguing the rules is fine but its GM melee so try to maintain a GM attitude

This post was edited by dark-soul on Sep 22 2011 05:23pm

well the cap is set at 0 I don't think stacking other ele dmg charms is much of an issue because they're much rarer than psn dmg charms are (i.e. if u want high dmg/perfect ones). besides, i think the effects of a 451 is a lot worse than a lets say 18-29fire is but don't quote me on that.

Anytime!



Bullshit. Just because you don't know me doesn't mean I'm new to melee at all...some of the builds you see today came from me, I had the first legit cruel fools zerk ever, amongst a number of other things, I just quit for 6 years. Besides, I don't care what Jess did back then, I know now she's an idiot, I have no respect for her, her attitude, or anything she ever has to say, and I don't say these things without just cause. I have a history with her that warrants this kind of emotional response towards her. The things that come from her keyboard flat out amaze me sometimes, I just can't grasp the concept that there are people out there that are really that close minded and stupid.

She may have maintained the ladder, but her attitude now is one of entitlements like she's some kind of royalty.

In order to keep things moving you have to be willing to discuss change, even if that change never actually happens, it still needs to be there for debate. There are no founded claims to actually banning poison, truth is, back when it was first banned, people were filling their inventories with psn charms, and people got lazy and tired of enforcing rules and checking inventories, so it was just easier to ban them.

The whole point of this thread is to have discussion, debate, and advance the melee community, and it would seem clear that not only does Jess have no interest in making any kind of progress or open dialogue, but that perhaps you don't either.




I agree, but I think his point was it's pretty obvious who would be stacking psn charms or using a 451, as the amount of life taken from it is far greater than say a cap of 50 total. If suspicious you check the inventory, and/or use a ref, because the effect of minor psn dmg like say 7 that's on some of the rares, is little to none.


This post was edited by memnoch_thedevil2003 on Sep 22 2011 06:07pm