Different Jsp user is a whole different animal. Of course that wouldn't be allowed, but that's comparing apples to oranges. I would never expect someone to stay at their spot on ladder if it were a different Jsp user in control of the char now. But like I said before, in my situation, it literally is NO DIFFERENCE, literally just a name change, I don't get leprechaun's luck because I switched to a different name...it just seems silly to me that there's even a debate over it.

Had this been back before tokens, sure, would be a valid point. But since there are tokens and you can restat any time, and it's not against the rules, I don't see the harm in someone switching to a different pally if it's the same level...names are a legal item to trade now, so there's only going to be more people changing names imo...





What are you trying to say?

What dark-soul just said.

I don't see the issue with changing chars of the same level since there are tokens. Many games allow name changes on characters for this very reason with no consequences whatsoever. The ladder is already drying up, why not try and keep the ladder happy. This would not cause any unfair advantage, and it would be another way to help keep people happy. How many times have you seen people drop off the ladder because they said they were leveling a new zealot with a different name and didn't want to waste their time climbing the ladder to only be knocked back down to the bottom after changing to the new zealot. Then of course they start doing other things while they are off the ladder then never come back, and then we are where we are now. I just don't see the argument here. What if a baseball player changed his name halfway through the season? Would you take his homeruns away from him and make him start over? That is all this is guys, it's a name change that can only be done by leveling another character. It's not a secret weapon.

And this certainly doesn't have the impact that allowing imports did. Only thing that has been happening for a while now is running people off.

This post was edited by 3ironman on Jul 6 2011 08:48am

it's just dying because people has work and school this time of the month and they really bussy this time, i don't mind blame tbh. plus another reason people are quitting cuz they "trying" save up for d3 which is really pointless because who knows when this game will be released..by then i won't have time for that cuz im starting school soon plus work also soo i would have barely have time to do it. Plus summer week, weeeeeee
Yes, why not? Best part from starting from bottom is working your ass from top then you can compare which zealot is better, is it ur new one or ur current one like
edit; i don't really care about imports honestly, they were released a long tiem ago but nobody care or anything nor they notice about them til now i did care when it got released in public like 3 yrs ago some shit but now its just way too late.

This post was edited by Neko on Jul 6 2011 09:30am

Not allowing name changes isn't the reason why the ladder is dying. I changed my zealot name a few times and I was more than happy to reclimb the ladder each time which was bigger than the current ladders are. It was just a challenge again wasn't a big deal. The token thing pretty much = a remake which we're allowing but a char change is different. If someone doesn't want to reclimb the ladder then they must not be very active or competitive anyway. Just my opinion on it anyway. It's up to the admins of the ladders whether it gets aloud or not

I'm all for activity so if it's going to make a big impact then I guess let it slide but maybe limit the amount of name changes someone is aloud so it doesn't get abused.

This post was edited by dark-soul on Jul 6 2011 11:31am

That's a very good analogy. I don't think it comes down to any one thing as to why the ladders are drying up, but more of a culmination of things...the game is just finally taking it's toll it feels like...D3 in around the corner, and like Jess said a lot of people are selling stuff off to save up for D3, which may or may not even translate to the new game.





I understand where you're coming from too the challenge is part of the fun...but at the same time, because of the stagnant pace things are going at, I think (and some already have) people would quit just because of the time it's taking. Nice idea about limiting the name changes though, that would help keep it in check.

There would be no need to set a limit because who in the heck would level a ton of characters to 99 just to change a name. Like I said, it is not a "secret weapon" when you change your character name. It is usually because someone finally got a name they have been trying to get. The only thing that is a pain is for the admins to keep up with the changes and update the lists, etc. I am not saying that this is "THE" reason the ladders are dropping off but it is just stupid to possibly lose even 1 or 2 people due to a rule that prohibits something that gives absolutely no advantage. There are a ton of reasons they are dropping off and I realize that. I have been here at least long enough to see the reasons why most did drop off and most everyone had a reason to drop off and could a lot of times been avoided. The bottom line is the game is really old and people are not making enough time for it and not investing money/fg into it anymore therefore with the imports, etc. a lot of people do not stay on the ladder for that very reason (they dont want to invest the money/fg on an old game to compete). As you guys stated for all the reasons that people were dropping off, I fail to understand why you wouldn't just want to make things simpler for the people on the ladder rather than everything being like pulling teeth.

Bottom line is: Make everything difficult on an old ass game = DEAD LADDER

I left because of drama/IMPORTS - I hate to continue to harp on imports, but they suck and keep a lot of people off of the ladder. believe it or not they really do. I really didn't have that much of a problem countering them when I was active but I hated what they were doing to melee as a whole. I am not whining about imports, just saying they are ruining melee. You are welcome to look below my sig and click on the link when I was #2 on a much fuller ladder and surrounded by imports. I used a shako to get there.

Lets just clarify.

Changing a 99 to 99 (one time, to use a character name you prefer) I don't give a shit about.

To argue it is a pointless waste of time.

If it were a 98 to a 99, I would have said no.

If it were a 99 to a 98, I would have said no.

Imports are stupid, and bitching about them is a dead end. If we want to ban imports on the NT ladder create a poll, give it 2 weeks and based on results I will allow or ban imports. I would expect this decision to be voiced and decided by at least 90% of the current non tap ladder and I would also like it to be a fairly unanimous decision before banning them. (since my goal is not to drive anyone away from the NT ladder but to bring more people in)

I feel this is a fair way to vote for anything on the Non Tap ladder and will respect this if any other changes would like to be made.

Some "Ideas" which are completely outrageous will be dropped instantly. (subject to common sense)

I may have to join your ladder just so I get to vote

meh when d3 comes out, melee will die slowely.