why would this be silly?

@ 450 cold res 4500 life, i can tank 6 ice blasts from frost
@ 480 cold res 4500 life, frost will have to hit me twice as much i bet

Um no... The typical blizz sorc build (that isnt using some retarded/impossible to get pure - res build ie. 3cold/20/3blizz/3ib/3cm 2x faceted orb and such...) will get ~ - 250 res from cm

That + hell penalty + 75 for max => 250+75+100 = 425 cr to fully stack.

I find it funny people dont even run these runs before just buying 456346 res gear to hit tye 'max' lol.

/e just to demonstrate:

Total + cold/all for a typical blizzer:

+3 weap + 2 helm + 2 ammy + 2 shield + 2 armor + 1 belt + 2 rings (being generous b/c this is likely not how you would build) + 1 cta buff + 3 torch + 1 anni + 9 gcs + 20 skilled = lvl 48 cm =>

(more likely 46 or 47, cold sorces lack res and generally will use a rare ring or two)

48 cm = - 255

Then, most svs'er dont use facets, but lets give benefit of the doubt and say we build our sorc with btals / nw / fathom = - 15 from facets totaling - 270.

270 + 100 + 75 = 445 res needed to cap all your - res, (noticeably under the cap still) and that was being - 25 res or so generous...


Now if ypu built some retarded - res version where you had an orb like i said above + used a 3 cold/2 facet circ + a 20/-20 jewelers + a +3 cold ammy you could potentially get lvl 51 cm + 8 facets => a whooping - 310 res from your build.

Given a maxed 450 res cap sorc, now his real res is: 450 - 310 - 100 = 40. That change from 75 to 40 res is actually a crazy gap in terms of damage / probably the only way to make a blizzer thats truly viable.

However its still basically impossible b/c all that gear requires so many more stat points, and res (which your not even allowed to make up via charms b/c of this ladder dumb ass rules) youll never be able to make the char strong enough to be competitive.

Add in the fact it requires a private realm level item and would completely wiped against any decent es build instantly.


In all honesty, your probably better off making non - res based blizzers and just stacking +% cold damage on items + snow clash since youll never peirce a well built gm sorc. Just hope they dont get smart and swap to 400 res + raven cuz then theyll taken even less damage...

This post was edited by legen on Sep 2 2017 12:24pm

You cant really depend on only -250.. every cold sorc has a diff build. The only cold sorc on the ladder is an "impossible" -res setup btw and has like -325 cr which comes out higher than 450 to stack

So for him, the anya makes a significant difference especially when cold sorcs are already at a disadvantage

This post was edited by tootsiepoppa on Sep 2 2017 12:23pm

then you really haven't dueled frost. Either way.... Garciaparra says nothing will change on rules, so i guess Adaptations not going to be happy anymore.

Theres no significant advantage because of anyas.. The max res allow is 450 if you use it, or if you dont.. Period.

The issue lacks in the rules themselves / what you would consider to be fair / balanced for a cold sorc.

Obv cold is significantly weaker than the others in this rule set




I have dueled his - res based blizzer... Iirc he got the idea from me lol

It was virtually useless vs my typical es svs sorc build, think he took 11 ibs to my life to kill me, instead of the normal 34, so i guess you could call it an improvement lol


/e again,

If doom were allowed for blizzers we have a much different story imo ~

This post was edited by legen on Sep 2 2017 12:46pm

Ups: Cold has an advantage in Blizzard, you can use it defensively and offensively, plus setting it while using Ice Blast is a win if someone tries to tank you. Also you freeze whoever you hit making it difficult for them to walk you. The resist cap theoretically helps too if you can get the impossible build completed.
Downs: The abilities are either slow moving missiles or a slow Blizzard that can miss. The abilities do a lot less damage against high cold resist enemies since the mastery is purely pierce. Can be shitty vs ES builds especially if they have low dmg using a pierce build.

Ups: Fire has the advantage with a fast moving ranged missile that has low frame rates so you can spam the shit out of it. The damage is pretty good and you can choose a 200 FCR build that makes you faster than everyone other element.
Downs: Fire Ball can miss or be blocked doing zero damage or only hitting with splash. It's easily dodged with high FRW. Can be shitty against l8z ES sorcs.

Ups: Lightning hides a wide area, hard to dodge if you zap someone, can hit for a shit load, and can't be blocked or miss. Looks the sexiest, gets all the girls. Rapes ES builds in one or two shots.
Downs: Slow ass cast frames, needs 117 FCR for first BP which limits some build setup. It can hit for no fucking damage. The missile isn't super long range and isn't crazy fast.

The rules are pretty balanced right now, I just don't like having a resist cap. Right now the rules for Cold Sorcs basically tells you that you need the impossible build or you're not going to do so well, at least not well if you want to go toe to toe with a 200 FCR fire baller. And that's a dueling style issue not a rules issue IMO.


EDIT: I AGREE WITH LEGEN. WHY THE FUCK CAN'T ICE SORCS USE DOOM?

This post was edited by randomletterz on Sep 2 2017 12:50pm

Oh what fun

Not this again....

Considering everyone's a fire sorc I don't think rule changes are needed or worth talking about. Unless it brings a variety of course.

Edit: What SHOULD be banned is all bugged/imported items from the ladder.

This post was edited by randomletterz on Sep 2 2017 01:06pm

Nah nn for that