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Nov 14 2021 11:05am
Quote (Aaronoob @ Nov 14 2021 11:38am)
We need to talk about ES sorcs. There's a few matchups which are pointless such as ES FB vs nec and some others too

Any good ideas for providing balance for this? Bring back old limits on %ES cap?


edit:
also learning poison creeper apparently tanks people's FPS?


Seems like they'd be weak without Bmanas now.
Do they really need a cap?
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Nov 14 2021 11:10am
Quote (TSBoyer @ Nov 14 2021 11:05am)
Seems like they'd be weak without Bmanas now.
Do they really need a cap?


you never needed bmanas to tank necros as es fb.

you can easily reach 5-6k mana with ladder gear
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Nov 14 2021 11:14am
Quote (Aaronoob @ Nov 11 2021 08:22pm)
How about u learn to put enigma runes in the right order before you go having an opinion on these matters?

https://i.imgur.com/KUiytAQ.png


rofl

also yeah es fb definitely has advantage but you can still win on nec

all you need is a few nl spirits before spamming spears (i.e. baiting) and you can outtrade the sorc
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Nov 14 2021 11:14am
Quote (ekoe @ 14 Nov 2021 18:10)
you never needed bmanas to tank necros as es fb.

you can easily reach 5-6k mana with ladder gear


maybe if you dont use skillers :D
around 5.4k is the reasonable max mana if you use circlet and not shako ( I dont consider it optimal)
and mana boots, and not ss (same as with circlet, not optimal)
I have 4792 now with coh but I statted some base dexterity for the tourney
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Nov 14 2021 11:31am
Quote (Aaronoob @ Nov 14 2021 11:38am)
We need to talk about ES sorcs. There's a few matchups which are pointless such as ES FB vs nec and some others too

Any good ideas for providing balance for this? Bring back old limits on %ES cap?


edit:
also learning poison creeper apparently tanks people's FPS?



Can’t balance em all imo. Some matches are meant to be one sided like zeal vs hdin or ghost v Druid.

I remember Bui suggesting 1 point nova / LR so necs stand a chance and honestly that doesn’t sound too bad. Haven’t tested it so not sure if that would swing the match extremely in nec’s favor
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Nov 14 2021 11:51am
Quote (Ethreain @ Nov 14 2021 12:14pm)
maybe if you dont use skillers :D
around 5.4k is the reasonable max mana if you use circlet and not shako ( I dont consider it optimal)
and mana boots, and not ss (same as with circlet, not optimal)
I have 4792 now with coh but I statted some base dexterity for the tourney


you putting a coh on an es sorc makes your opinion from here on out irrelevant ty
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Nov 14 2021 11:52am
Quote (ekoe @ Nov 14 2021 06:10pm)
you never needed bmanas to tank necros as es fb.

you can easily reach 5-6k mana with ladder gear


Pretty sure 5.2-5.3k is around the max you can get with perfect gear.
With ladder gear unlikely.
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Nov 14 2021 12:12pm
Quote (loftyEs @ Nov 14 2021 12:51pm)
you putting a coh on an es sorc makes your opinion from here on out irrelevant ty


pretty early ladder, might not have res for enigma yet

I statted out a few sorcs was gonna maybe make one, it's pretty tough hitting max res with shit gear + enigma
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Nov 14 2021 12:37pm
Quote (loftyEs @ 14 Nov 2021 18:51)
you putting a coh on an es sorc makes your opinion from here on out irrelevant ty


sorry, i am too poor to buy enigma
coh = 1hr
enigma = 2hr
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Nov 14 2021 12:47pm
es sorc should use life pots, discuss
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