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Sep 25 2016 04:04pm
Quote (Wyrmvater @ Sep 25 2016 03:51pm)
I actually don't have a problem with any SvS'er's cr, just what Legen mentioned about getting 450cr on his es fb'er, seems kind of absurd. But wtv is fair es blizz vs vita blizz must be fair for his fb'er too, for the parsimony of the rules let's say.

I was dueling you at 360cr, I might drop a few 20/11's cr scs, I had 4x. Without any that's 315 exact, we'll try that sometime, not now busy me too today.


yea 200fb rapes cold anyways, i can literally have like 350 cr and beat almost any bliz on my fb lol.

my thing with es is the defensiveness. i understand es has to, but 75% of what i am hit by is spam. and thats the factor vs even vin and legen. im not complaining, thats just how it is ^^
only es that ive seen be really offensive and good at it was skibum.

with that being said i def understand having an es bliz vs an es fb would be frustrating...

also i was using 450cr vs you, 399 with raven should tank more vs u because, im guessing, you dont have much -res. like most cold vs cold. we can try that out too tm or something
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yea 200fb rapes cold anyways, i can literally have like 350 cr and beat almost any bliz on my fb lol.

my thing with es is the defensiveness. i understand es has to, but 75% of what i am hit by is spam. and thats the factor vs even vin and legen. im not complaining, thats just how it is ^^
only es that ive seen be really offensive and good at it was skibum.

with that being said i def understand having an es bliz vs an es fb would be frustrating...

also i was using 450cr vs you, 399 with raven should tank more vs u because, im guessing, you dont have much -res. like most cold vs cold. we can try that out too tm or something


well if you want to be offensive on a es sorc vs a vita you gotta avoid every single hit, the only way to successfully be offensive on a es sorc is to nearly flawless your enemy. That's just the matchup it's like cat & mouse vita vs es. But anyway, it's more or less spam, but it has a direction and blizz like I have, I can snipe blizz pretty good but sometimes it does fail on me, so that I can't even teleport away after a blizz, this is your chance at getting a kill. And I do go for snipes all the time, I just try to time it with a proper amount of iceblasts inbetween so as to not get stuck.
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1. scboi / NumberOne / Reggie_Bush (Vita Fire)
2. Garciaparra / Garciaparra / Garciaparra (Vita Light)
3. Gemmd / Mindloop / Adict (Vita Cold)
4. casedizzle45 / teh_case / Kacie (Vita Fire)
5. davmang / davmang / Hoodrich (Vita Light)
6. MpWj / MpWj / MpWj (Vita Fire)
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8. Taddei01 / Intec / Intec (Vita Fire)
9. CrazyDiablo / Killerclaw / sPiDeRsLiPs (Vita Fire)
10. eclipss / giggle / giggle (Vita Fire)
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Quote (Wyrmvater @ Sep 25 2016 04:15pm)
well if you want to be offensive on a es sorc vs a vita you gotta avoid every single hit, the only way to successfully be offensive on a es sorc is to nearly flawless your enemy. That's just the matchup it's like cat & mouse vita vs es. But anyway, it's more or less spam, but it has a direction and blizz like I have, I can snipe blizz pretty good but sometimes it does fail on me, so that I can't even teleport away after a blizz, this is your chance at getting a kill. And I do go for snipes all the time, I just try to time it with a proper amount of iceblasts inbetween so as to not get stuck.


yea very true. spam is different with bliz. fb its way too easy to spam lol
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Quote (Gemmd @ Sep 25 2016 08:13pm)
yea very true. spam is different with bliz. fb its way too easy to spam lol


Quote (Wyrmvater @ Sep 25 2016 05:15pm)
well if you want to be offensive on a es sorc vs a vita you gotta avoid every single hit, the only way to successfully be offensive on a es sorc is to nearly flawless your enemy. That's just the matchup it's like cat & mouse vita vs es. But anyway, it's more or less spam, but it has a direction and blizz like I have, I can snipe blizz pretty good but sometimes it does fail on me, so that I can't even teleport away after a blizz, this is your chance at getting a kill. And I do go for snipes all the time, I just try to time it with a proper amount of iceblasts inbetween so as to not get stuck.


I just need to point this out because it is a major factor in this cold vs whatever argument. I know this doesnt answer everything but it needs to be kept in mind.

Cold sorcs use Blizz as an aoe attack which has a timer that allows an opening in which they are vulnerable to attacks, this opening is purely at the discretion of the user. You CHOOSE to use blizz, and you choose when you are vulnerable to attack. Blizzard is also able to be invisible to the opponent if they tele far enough away.

Iceblast is indeed slower traveling than Fire attacks, in turn cold attacks are based on a different resistance system and cold damage is much more effective than fire damage even at maximum current caps, I will agree es cold should have a lower cap due to damage drops. Iceblast can be even more deadly than Fire sorcs if the sorc is built properly and the user is patient in choosing there attacks wisely. - cold resists are a major factor in the way cold damage works in svs.

Fire sorcs have an option of using Hydra as an aoe spell. Not many people use it that often, so to argue fire sorcs have aoe too is kinda irrelevant. Hydras can be very effective, but a lot of people will claim l8z and defensive play, this is why its not very popular.

Light sorcs have a massive crit bubble, but lack aoe and constant damage. Lightning is slow in comparison to fire attacks. Cbolt could be argued as aoe but its not very effective as such. Light's saving grace is its ability to fhr the opponent.

On the es argument. I feel es should be used more in svs but due to lack of available gear on the server its a dying breed of sorc. Es sorcs as legen pointed out can tank a ridiculous amount of damage if properly used. Es IS DEFENSIVE, and there isnt a way around that, its the nature of the beast. Cold and light sorcs unfortunately have a larger synergy pool to get damage thus limiting them naturally due to the lack of a 5th fire synergy skill(bolt,ball,meteor,mast vs cbolt,light,nova,clight,mast or ibolt,IB,GS,blizz,orb,mast<6!!). Due to this lack of extra synergies fire sorcs have a point advantage over all other builds, this cannot be helped, its a game mechanic fuck up on blizzard. There really isnt a way to limit es fire sorcs to be even with cold/light in svs.


So this being said. The rules are as good as they can be. Sorry cold/light got fucked up, blame blizzard.
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Quote (GNX @ Sep 25 2016 08:49pm)
I just need to point this out because it is a major factor in this cold vs whatever argument. I know this doesnt answer everything but it needs to be kept in mind.

Cold sorcs use Blizz as an aoe attack which has a timer that allows an opening in which they are vulnerable to attacks, this opening is purely at the discretion of the user. You CHOOSE to use blizz, and you choose when you are vulnerable to attack. Blizzard is also able to be invisible to the opponent if they tele far enough away.

Iceblast is indeed slower traveling than Fire attacks, in turn cold attacks are based on a different resistance system and cold damage is much more effective than fire damage even at maximum current caps, I will agree es cold should have a lower cap due to damage drops. Iceblast can be even more deadly than Fire sorcs if the sorc is built properly and the user is patient in choosing there attacks wisely. - cold resists are a major factor in the way cold damage works in svs.

Fire sorcs have an option of using Hydra as an aoe spell. Not many people use it that often, so to argue fire sorcs have aoe too is kinda irrelevant. Hydras can be very effective, but a lot of people will claim l8z and defensive play, this is why its not very popular.

Light sorcs have a massive crit bubble, but lack aoe and constant damage. Lightning is slow in comparison to fire attacks. Cbolt could be argued as aoe but its not very effective as such. Light's saving grace is its ability to fhr the opponent.

On the es argument. I feel es should be used more in svs but due to lack of available gear on the server its a dying breed of sorc. Es sorcs as legen pointed out can tank a ridiculous amount of damage if properly used. Es IS DEFENSIVE, and there isnt a way around that, its the nature of the beast. Cold and light sorcs unfortunately have a larger synergy pool to get damage thus limiting them naturally due to the lack of a 5th fire synergy skill(bolt,ball,meteor,mast vs cbolt,light,nova,clight,mast or ibolt,IB,GS,blizz,orb,mast<6!!). Due to this lack of extra synergies fire sorcs have a point advantage over all other builds, this cannot be helped, its a game mechanic fuck up on blizzard. There really isnt a way to limit es fire sorcs to be even with cold/light in svs.


So this being said. The rules are as good as they can be. Sorry cold/light got fucked up, blame blizzard.


yea thats all true, but fbs speed (IMO) is more of an advantage than having bliz AND ib. (the speed of 200fcr and how fast fb goes) way to easy to avoid and "capture" a bliz sorc.

but i agree its impossible to please every1 and i have tried! lmao but yea rules are probably as good as they are gonna get for the time being.
might be a few minor adjustments here and there but itll take a lot of tedious testing. - which im not opposed to helping.

i would like to say tho... this has been the first real conversation about svs in this thread in years LOL ty wyrmvator B)

Quote (davmang @ Sep 25 2016 09:28pm)
challenge 3. Gemmd / Mindloop / Adict (Vita Cold)


im in a challenge with aaron but he is a cracked out on work lately, so we will need an extension. hopefully i can catch him tm. if not itll be nulld

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Quote (Gemmd @ Sep 25 2016 11:33pm)
yea thats all true, but fbs speed (IMO) is more of an advantage than having bliz AND ib. (the speed of 200fcr and how fast fb goes) way to easy to avoid and "capture" a bliz sorc.

but i agree its impossible to please every1 and i have tried! lmao but yea rules are probably as good as they are gonna get for the time being.
might be a few minor adjustments here and there but itll take a lot of tedious testing. - which im not opposed to helping.

i would like to say tho... this has been the first real conversation about svs in this thread in years LOL ty wyrmvator B)



im in a challenge with aaron but he is a cracked out on work lately, so we will need an extension. hopefully i can catch him tm. if not itll be nulld


If anything removing 200fcr from svs would make things 10 times more interesting. idk just my opinion.
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