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Quote (Wyrmvater @ Sep 24 2016 05:45pm)
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11. CrazyDiablo / Killerclaw / sPiDeRsLiPs (Vita Fire)


Next time no cropped screen shots and also you need to have time stamp in both screen shots
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fuck completely forgot timestamp sry
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Quote (scboi @ Sep 23 2016 07:00pm)
Does the mana pool of an ES fire sorc charge faster than a ES light sorc? How do you know? Well let's see:

Let's assume we're working with two ES sorcs, both with a mana pool of 2500 points. Let's also assume the average level for Warmth is 45 for an ES fire sorc and level 36 for an ES light sorc.
The mana regen rate equation for warmth is 12x+18, where x is equal to Warmth's level.
So a level 45 Warmth gives 558% mana regen bonus and a level 36 Warmth gives 450% mana regen bonus.

For calculating mana regen PER SECOND, we use this equation: MaxMana * (100 + BaseRegenRateBonus) / 12000, where MaxMana is your sorc's max mana pool and BaseRegenRateBonus is the sum of all mana regen bonus from Warmth and other items that give mana regen bonus (I'll be excluding bonus from items, since it is so trivial).

That gives us with these two results: an ES fire sorc regens 137.08 mana per second and an ES light sorc regens 114.6 mana per second. Pretty close right? Let's see how long it takes to do a full mana charge up
2500/137.08 = 18.24 seconds for a full charge up and 2500/114.6 = 21.82 seconds for a full charge up. So a fire sorc will fully charge her mana pool 3.58 seconds faster than a light sorc. And seeing how defensively svsers play, that difference in time is almost negligible.

But wait, it doesn't stop there. What about Thunderstorm? I'll omit the math from this part, but the TS from an ES light sorc will deal 350 damage per hit to another ES sorc's mana pool, and an ES fire sorc will deal only 150 damage per hit.

Just stay away from ES sorcs and go vita.


Seems like a catch 22.... esfb seems to have an advantage over vita, yet es light or cold has no chance.

I think you all are missing the real point, though, the mana regen% is minor. The real distinction is that fb sorcs have the ability to get es without sacrificing significant damage. That is definitely not the case with light or cold.

Proof: most vita fb pump all their extra points into TS. Es cold sorcs have to sacrifice points from their synergies, and the same can be said for light sorcs.

So clearly, the rules are not customized to truly accommodate every build. Which is very evident if you follow the top 3 of this ladder in the past. I also cant wrap my head around why an es sorc can spam mana pots when their mana already regenerates.

Just my 2 cents
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Sep 24 2016 06:16pm
Rules are fine.

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svs//gm just fun duels anyone
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Quote (Garciaparra @ Sep 24 2016 09:16pm)
Rules are fine.


Es Fire vs Es Cold? lol - fire drains mana much more, mana regenerates much more

Es Light vs Es Cold? lol - light drains mana much more


no mana potions will just make me overly defensive more when I take a hit or two, try to catch me regenerating slowly off to cp. It's no fun for either side, and you can't call overly defensive when I'm a 1 hit kill away from dying.
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Quote (Wyrmvater @ Sep 25 2016 02:20am)
Es Fire vs Es Cold? lol - fire drains mana much more, mana regenerates much more

Es Light vs Es Cold? lol - light drains mana much more


no mana potions will just make me overly defensive more when I take a hit or two, try to catch me regenerating slowly off to cp. It's no fun for either side, and you can't call overly defensive when I'm a 1 hit kill away from dying.


You are the only es on the ladder m8 it makes no difference the rules at that lol

Ddub will be removed next update and should have been already
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You are the only es on the ladder m8 it makes no difference the rules at that lol

Ddub will be removed next update and should have been already


cool, but why are you removing him?
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cool, but why are you removing him?


It's was just a troll sign up back when he first came back pretty sure he sold that sorc a long time ago.
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Quote (Garciaparra @ Sep 24 2016 07:16pm)
Rules are fine.


You are delusional and thats exactly why this ladder is pathetic. 200 fb vs 200 fb. Worst duels in this game.
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Quote (Garciaparra @ Sep 25 2016 04:18am)
You are the only es on the ladder m8 it makes no difference the rules at that lol

Ddub will be removed next update and should have been already


You are blind to the facts you spit from your own tongue

This post was edited by Goldmund on Sep 25 2016 09:10am
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