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#2391
Dec 31 2009 12:37am
Quote (Rugzy @ 30 Dec 2009 22:14)
If you build a well balanced barb with 6.4k life with gg dmg and lets say 34.5kdef with 21.5k ar... against the 23kar with 38kdef and 5.5klife... you are looking at hitting ~36% (for max dmg balanced barb) vs. 40% (for mastery ed build). So your chance to hit with that much ar and hit avoidance with the high def buys you ~4% of additional hit chance...

It is mathematically improbable that this build can win in the long run given all things equal. Now add CB, OW (gives the advantage to barbs with more life), crit strike which are all multipliers of dmg ... it gives even more advantage when these strike... more so to the balanced dmg barb over the ed barb with lower dmg and lower life.


Very nice Jim.

Only thing is, 4% is NOT methmatically negligible.

Think this - each ww = 4 hits, and every duel at this level exchange at least 60, sometimes even 100 attempted hits.

4% chance in 50 attempted hits = 2 more hits.

Also, CB actually will work against Vita build, cuz more life you have, more dmg you will get.

That was my thinking behind it.
ofc, there is the biggest factor called LUCK as well. :P

This post was edited by sunglicious on Dec 31 2009 12:41am
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#2392
Dec 31 2009 12:39am
Updated Ladder

*Kahn takes the Throne*

1.) ♚ Kahn: KahnHuska (KMBvB)
2.) ♛ JSong: Rugzy (GGBVB)
3.) ♜ oM: GGbvb (GGBVB)
4.) Wao: Devilish (Warriors)
5.) LaKer: Billbo (KnD)
6.) OG: VoRo (KMBvB)
7.) Neo_Legend: sunglicious (GGBVB)
8.) Eulogy: xxUnifiedxx (The Goods)
9.) ANGER: nolove4u (Olympia)
10.) EgO-TRIP Every1GetsOwned(GGBVB)
11.) JjAshlK: JjAshIk (KMBvB)
12.) sOgI: sOgI (ROK)
13.) Toothrow Cjarvis_30 (Solo)
14.) iikot-ikotako: Teyob (KMBvB)
15.) EgO-DIZZY jdssbbbls (GGBVB)
16.) bF: Calidro (GGBVB)
17.) DragonOfDreams: DragonOfDreams (Dreams)
19.) OMEN-BVB: yordemise (GGBVB)
20.) GGm: youbleed666 (GGBVB)
21.) AMxPM: bucks1 (US Armed Forces)
22.) MyWW_HitsHard OldSkool_Playa311 (Solo)
23.) EZBVB: ULtrader (ROK)
X) VVhat xDooMx(GGBvB) MIA
X) Supa: supa_tj (ROK) MIA
X) Drummond: young_schlum (GGBVB) MIA
X) KM-cha: Cha3 (Warriors) MIA
X) Slay: Gators (Warriors) MIA
X) Lidocaine: TwelveFootPencil (Olympia) MIA

Pending Duels:

JjAshIk vs ANGER ~ Dec 29
EgO-DIZZY vs Toothrow ~ Dec 29
EgO-TRIP vs Eulogy Dec 29
iikot-ikotako vs sOgI ~ Dec 30
LaKer vs Wao ~ Dec 30
EZBVB vs GGm ~ Dec 30
JSong vs Kahn ~ Dec 30
OG vs oM ~ Dec 30

Finished Duels:

EgO-TRIP vs sOgI ~Dec 26 (Dodge called by EgO-TRIP)
bF vs iikot-ikotako ~ Dec 29 (7:3 iikot-ikotako)
VVhat vs DragonOfDreams ~ Dec 26 (No Contest)
Wao vs OG ~ Dec 27 (7:4:1 OG)
*Wao vs OG ~ Dec 27 (7:5:1 Wao)
**OG vs Wao ~ Dec 27 (7:6 Wao)
JSong vs LaKer ~ Dec 29 (7:4:1 JSong)
OMEN-BVB vs GGm ~ Dec 29 (7:4:1 OMEN-BVB)
OMEN-BVB vs bF ~ Dec 30 (7:4 OMEN-BVB)
bF vs OMEN-BVB ~ Dec 30 (7:6 bF)
Kahn vs oM ~ Dec 29 (7:5 Kahn)
OG vs Neo_Legend ~ Dec 30 (7:3 OG)

*Ranks have be given in a random order to start off this Mix, newly add Players will start at the bottom of the Ladder*
**Mix 3 ends Jan 8th**

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#2393
Dec 31 2009 12:42am
Quote (sunglicious @ Dec 31 2009 02:37am)
Very nice Jim.

Only thing is, 4% is NOT methmatically negligible.

Think this - each ww = 4 hits, and every duel at this level exchange at least 60, sometimes even 100 attempted hits.

4% chance in 50 attempted hits = 2 more hits. That was my thinking behind it.

ofc, there is the biggest factor called LUCK as well. :P


Key is balance IMO Some of the toughest barbs I have dueled were well balanced barbs with good dmg and enough life to tank.

But that extra ordinary jewel will give you an edge and yes luck is a factor .. but I like to think lag vs. luck as the bigger factor ... since dueling someone with 3 - 4 times slower latency does make a difference IMO

But usually my duels don't go to 100 attempted hits, but most likely the dmg difference is lower than what I estimated on the avg.

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#2394
Dec 31 2009 12:47am
Quote (Rugzy @ 30 Dec 2009 22:42)
Key is balance IMO Some of the toughest barbs I have dueled were well balanced barbs with good dmg and enough life to tank.

But that extra ordinary jewel will give you an edge and yes luck is a factor .. but I like to think lag vs. luck as the bigger factor ... since dueling someone with 3 - 4 times slower latency does make a difference IMO

But usually my duels don't go to 100 attempted hits, but most likely the dmg difference is lower than what I estimated on the avg.


You have valid argument in methmatical sense. and I definately respect what you have learned via your trial and errors in game.

Just wanted to share my 2cents with people. ;) Hope to see ya on top by new years. ;)
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#2395
Dec 31 2009 12:54am
Quote (sunglicious @ Dec 31 2009 02:47am)
You have valid argument in methmatical sense. and I definately respect what you have learned via your trial and errors in game.

Just wanted to share my 2cents with people. ;) Hope to see ya on top by new years. ;)


Happy New year to you all in case i Miss you out drinking with friends.

One of my best buddy from 25 years is coming up from DC with his family. I have not seen him for over 10 years.

He is am FBI agent and always has awesome storys to share :)

The funny thing is when we were young he used to call me the crazy one since i used to get into all the fights and he was the quiet one.

Now he carries a Glock every where he goes, shoots some incredible weapons and goes to Iraq, goes down to Mexico to take down drug lords, and works out and continuously trains self defense as part of his job.

hahaha

He is a bad mofo now...

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#2396
Dec 31 2009 01:31am
oM vs OG

7-5-1 oM

gg's
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#2397
Dec 31 2009 01:36am
Quote (Billbo @ Dec 31 2009 01:35am)
Devilish has been dodging me all day.

he says hes busy


some of us have lives and families, kidd-o.

oh yeah, and if you're going to repeat what i say you should say it properly, eh? i said "i can't duel tonight."

This post was edited by Devilish on Dec 31 2009 01:38am
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#2398
Dec 31 2009 01:37am
can sumone go to rpk n duel me a few duels i need test sumtin
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#2399
Dec 31 2009 01:45am
Since OG dueled oM, I can challenge OG right?

I challenge Tony. ;)
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#2400
Dec 31 2009 01:50am
Quote (Devilish @ Dec 31 2009 07:36am)
some of us have lives and families, kidd-o.

oh yeah, and if you're going to repeat what i say you should say it properly, eh? i said "i can't duel tonight."


stop trolling jsp and lets duel newb,

stop holding up the ladder
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