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Jan 15 2015 10:07am
Eh still not very active but o well.

Looking into adding a 200 fcr setup for my es infin lighter, and if i do so, it would also be very easy to tweak it/2x more vmagis for es svs setups. The only problem would be id have to drop a light gc everytime i casted es to be able to keep es at 79 to allow myself to mana pot vs vita. I wouldnt think of this as a issue when we start the duel, but if my es were to break mid duel id have to l8z way off map to safely re es or es with 80% temporarily and stop using mans until i have a cast to recast with lower es again. Would you guys allow this sort of setup, or would it be too much trouble to try and mediate properly? If it wouldnt be allowed, i just wouldnt bother with a svs setup lol


Also, could rewrite the es rule to just allow mana potting on a 80% es sorc for me :)
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Jan 15 2015 10:10am
Quote (legen @ Jan 15 2015 12:07pm)
Eh still not very active but o well.

Looking into adding a 200 fcr setup for my es infin lighter, and if i do so, it would also be very easy to tweak it/2x more vmagis for es svs setups. The only problem would be id have to drop a light gc everytime i casted es to be able to keep es at 79 to allow myself to mana pot vs vita. I wouldnt think of this as a issue when we start the duel, but if my es were to break mid duel id have to l8z way off map to safely re es or es with 80% temporarily and stop using mans until i have a cast to recast with lower es again. Would you guys allow this sort of setup, or would it be too much trouble to try and mediate properly? If it wouldnt be allowed, i just wouldnt bother with a svs setup lol


Also, could rewrite the es rule to just allow mana potting on a 80% es sorc for me :)



Are you using 9x gcs and 10x bmanas?
If so, just go 8x and 13x bmanas
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Jan 15 2015 10:12am
Quote (Mstrforce @ Jan 15 2015 11:10am)
Are you using 9x gcs and 10x bmanas?
If so, just go 8x and 13x bmanas


The limit of bmanas in svs here is 10 or else i would. Also, just read the rules again and its 78 es to mana pot, so id actually have to drop 2x gcs :(

I dont see rssing the allowed es to 80 or under to pot being a issue as vita still >> es imo but its not my call to make!

E/ actually maybe it should be specified via certain m/us and/or classes. Light should be allowed higher es b/c its weaker and mana pots vs blizz should never be allowed because a 450 cr es fber like my other cant die to blizz ever lol. In my spreadsheet it was something like 25 blizzes to kill life and 10 blizzes to break es, so gl ever breaking that es with manas @@

Second edit: actually just casting bo on cta side would be -2 skills, so it would work fine with the current rules. Overthinking it lol

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The limit of bmanas in svs here is 10 or else i would. Also, just read the rules again and its 78 es to mana pot, so id actually have to drop 2x gcs :(

I dont see rssing the allowed es to 80 or under to pot being a issue as vita still >> es imo but its not my call to make!

E/ actually maybe it should be specified via certain m/us and/or classes. Light should be allowed higher es b/c its weaker and mana pots vs blizz should never be allowed because a 450 cr es fber like my other cant die to blizz ever lol. In my spreadsheet it was something like 25 blizzes to kill life and 10 blizzes to break es, so gl ever breaking that es with manas @@



Ah, true. Didn't see that 10x bmana rule.
Do you have multiple pts in es?
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Jan 15 2015 10:30am
No rules will change to adhere to anyone trying to build differently tbh. Es nova sorcs are terribly weak, since it is very easy to stack light resist to negate whatever negativity from infinity and Griffons + w/e facets are used, along with having no cap on light resistance.

as for the GC problem area you may have, the limit is 10 Bmana or 13x life mana. That being said if you used 10 bmana and 3 20/17, thats legal since it would be 10 baman and 3 20/17 would = 13 life/mana charms in total. we do allow infinity to be used, being that using one greatly affects stats and makes for a weak sorceress.

as far as the cold sorc issue, 450 cold resist is easily breakable, when i duel with muse my 3.5k life sorc dies in 6 hits, from iceblast. since you build around iceblast and not blizzard when making a cold svs sorc.
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Quote (Mstrforce @ Jan 15 2015 11:28am)
Ah, true. Didn't see that 10x bmana rule.
Do you have multiple pts in es?


On the lighter it would be 1 point0 base, on my fber i have a couple i believe. Anyways lets stop spamming here, pm me if your interested in my es svs builds for w/e reason vin

Its not a nova sorc...... 450 cr is NOT easily breakable... u need to use a rare/magic orb with facets to even make a difference after piercing cr.... regardless i was talking about my es fber which only takes 32% of dmg to life that a vita does meaning that even working with 6x ibs for you is 19 for me, and the dmg taken to mana is half what fb does so my reg 4 fbs is now 8-9 ibs to break. Add in regen and mana pots and its 100% a one sided duel u cant lose pr even die in..

Dropping a gc for 20/17s could be an option but i would personally try to build for dmg first ~

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Jan 15 2015 10:34am
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On the lighter it would be 1 point0 base, on my fber i have a couple i believe. Anyways lets stop spamming here, pm me if your interested in my es svs builds for w/e reason vin

Its not a nova sorc......


then i do not really see a point in using this as it would be weaker than a standard 200 es light?

Quote (Mstrforce @ Jan 15 2015 12:35pm)
It says 10x bmanas OR 13x 20/17's
You can mix and match? If so, it's misleading



Yea my bad. Was just trying to help :)


if that is what the rules say then thats fine, i havent looked at the rules in 5-6 months now.



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No rules will change to adhere to anyone trying to build differently tbh.  Es nova sorcs are terribly weak, since it is very easy to stack light resist to negate whatever negativity from infinity and Griffons + w/e facets are used, along with having no cap on light resistance.

as for the GC problem area you may have, the limit is 10 Bmana or 13x life mana.  That being said if you used 10 bmana and 3 20/17, thats legal since it would be 10 baman and 3 20/17 would = 13 life/mana charms in total.  we do allow infinity to be used, being that using one greatly affects stats and makes for a weak sorceress. 

as far as the cold sorc issue, 450 cold resist is easily breakable, when i duel with muse my 3.5k life sorc dies in 6 hits, from iceblast.  since you build around iceblast and not blizzard when making a cold svs sorc.


It says 10x bmanas OR 13x 20/17's
You can mix and match? If so, it's misleading

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On the lighter it would be 1 point0 base, on my fber i have a couple i believe. Anyways lets stop spamming here, pm me if your interested in my es svs builds for w/e reason vin

Its not a nova sorc......


Yea my bad. Was just trying to help :)
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Jan 15 2015 10:40am
Quote (Garciaparra @ Jan 15 2015 11:34am)
then i do not really see a point in using this as it would be weaker than a standard 200 es light?


It is weaker than a standard 95 es sorc vs all if thats what your saying... but since 1.10 resist isnt factored into the dmg you take to mana anymore, (obv) which is why ele dmg rapes es much faster since it was never rebalanced and a 95 es becomes not viable at all for a svs ladder...
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