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Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 4 2015 05:07am)
Consider a specific rule section for sorc vs sorc and sin vs sin. While I don't have much sorc experience, see below for my opinion on sins:

I would partially agree that Lo rune shouldn't be allowed overall. But I'd argue that hybrid should be allowed to use Lo or wisp if they so choose against a trapper (and vice versa). It's purely 1 sided in which the trapper can abuse higher damage/mana/40life rep and corner if he so chooses. Without the mitigated damage there's little to no incentive for a hybrid or spider (with lower ar and damage than ghost) to jump into 5x traps and attempt to ww against someone who has ~59-60% block. The "ability to ww" is essentially completely nulled. I speak from d2pk experience playing from both sides.

Also, I'm not sure if you've ever gone pure trap against a 7000 mana es sorc with life rep and wants to l8z or play just barely short of it. Fb poke out ranges trap poke and this match up can be surprisingly difficult against an experienced sorc who doesn't want to be caught. Chasing them down often results in at least 1 fb to the face only to have them wsg out and rep up once you "catch" them. Having a Vex to weaken the fb train spam damage will promote a more chasing playstyle and less camping play style. Anyway less concerned with this matter than the aforementioned one above.

My 2 cents


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Wager? You dodged me for a while kiddo.

Also I think exile should be banned since it plays a chance factor based on tap to win although it is beatable still kind of annoying.

Are any rules subject to change is that the purpose of this thread as well
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 4 2015 05:07am)
Consider a specific rule section for sorc vs sorc and sin vs sin. While I don't have much sorc experience, see below for my opinion on sins:

I would partially agree that Lo rune shouldn't be allowed overall. But I'd argue that hybrid should be allowed to use Lo or wisp if they so choose against a trapper (and vice versa). It's purely 1 sided in which the trapper can abuse higher damage/mana/40life rep and corner if he so chooses. Without the mitigated damage there's little to no incentive for a hybrid or spider (with lower ar and damage than ghost) to jump into 5x traps and attempt to ww against someone who has ~59-60% block. The "ability to ww" is essentially completely nulled. I speak from d2pk experience playing from both sides.

Also, I'm not sure if you've ever gone pure trap against a 7000 mana es sorc with life rep and wants to l8z or play just barely short of it. Fb poke out ranges trap poke and this match up can be surprisingly difficult against an experienced sorc who doesn't want to be caught. Chasing them down often results in at least 1 fb to the face only to have them wsg out and rep up once you "catch" them. Having a Vex to weaken the fb train spam damage will promote a more chasing playstyle and less camping play style. Anyway less concerned with this matter than the aforementioned one above.

My 2 cents


Rules aren't tailored to make it a 50/50 matchup for a hybrid or ghost vs trapper, it's there to remove SOME of the advantage and allow a better chance at winning


And for sorcs, if you have any issue with a FB sorc on a sin you're doing it wrong, want to make it easier? Learn to use 174 so they can't run as easily and get better at walking FB's... Rather than redo rules to tailor to your idea of a disadvantage.

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Rules aren't tailored to make it a 50/50 matchup for a hybrid or ghost vs trapper, it's there to remove SOME of the advantage and allow a better chance at winning


And for sorcs, if you have any issue with a FB sorc on a sin you're doing it wrong, want to make it easier? Learn to use 174 so they can't run as easily and get better at walking FB's... Rather than redo rules to tailor to your idea of a disadvantage.


Lol i missed that part xD trouble vs Soso on sin my god. Yeah let's make it so that hybrids and ghosts can't use mindblast or traps vs druid so that it's almost more fair for druid to win. Also while we are at it for nvd druid summons count are banned unless you use twister only.
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Quote (yostraydog @ Feb 4 2015 09:05am)
Rules aren't tailored to make it a 50/50 matchup for a hybrid or ghost vs trapper, it's there to remove SOME of the advantage and allow a better chance at winning


And for sorcs, if you have any issue with a FB sorc on a sin you're doing it wrong, want to make it easier? Learn to use 174 so they can't run as easily and get better at walking FB's... Rather than redo rules to tailor to your idea of a disadvantage.



Right 100%. Non c/c 174 with 80/20 >

Not that you should lose on a sin vs a sorc tho regardless...

And there isn't any need for sorc vs sorc specific rules either since the standard rule set that's laid out is good enough. Chances of SVS are slim even with there being the possibility of Marcfd and myself on sorcs.

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Right 100%. Non c/c 174 with 80/20 >

Not that you should lose on a sin vs a sorc tho regardless...


Just using sop setup works great vs fb sorc idk why it matters shadow tanks fb only blizz can be trouble if you don't have a res setup that nulls a one hit blizz. I use lr gear to bos instead of fade tvt so yeah with an actual setup vs the opponents element it's too easy for sin vs sorc..this bui guy should stick to gvg
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Wager? You dodged me for a while kiddo.

Also I think exile should be banned since it plays a chance factor based on tap to win although it is beatable still kind of annoying.

Are any rules subject to change is that the purpose of this thread as well



Yea give me a wisp and I'll gladly hybrid your trapper.

I only have a ghost and spider. Can't exactly duel a trapper on either of them based on these rules.

If u have anything else, Id gladly face it assuming you don't pull shit like token into a bvb against my ghost.
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 4 2015 08:41am)
Yea give me a wisp and I'll gladly hybrid your trapper.

I only have a ghost and spider. Can't exactly duel a trapper on either of them based on these rules.

If u have anything else, Id gladly face it assuming you don't pull shit like token into a bvb against my ghost.


Lol you're cute I would use my nec but you have to use ww xD I can nec vs spider I guess expect l8z =^)

Sure you can wisp vs my trapper on your ghost as far as hybrid vs trapper with wisp yeah okay let me Lo valk then ^_^
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