MiphasGrace is a top pvper and is simply talking so far above your head that he seems noobie to you since you don’t comprehend his point

Lol Here comes his boyfriend to defend him...

It's the classic mechanical skill (plus some theorycrafting) vs. pure theorycrafting argument. Melee is really about pure optimization and math and probabilities, that also tracks with the rarities and statistical likelihoods of the very best rare items in this game. That's why there's such an appeal, because it is really about "outthinking" and "outmathing" your competitors, so there's a cerebral component to it. Kind of like playing a board game or something in person.

What Blood Moor PvP is is basically like playing soccer. While gear is important, mechanical skill and experience can make up for a lot of those gaps, and hence the efficacy of the very best items becomes very obfuscated. Some people prefer to enjoy the mathematical purity that comes with build optimization...kind of like the true in person gaming experience.

At the end of the day, people will gravitate to what gives them the best dopamine. I'll let you figure out that part for yourself.

But I can see the arguments from all sides. My perspective though? To be honest, if I really cared about making mechanical skill a factor in my enjoyment of things, there are better, more modern games to demonstrate that. SC2, Fortnite, Marvel Rivals etc...

But this game stands head and shoulders above all the rest when it comes to pure mathing/theorycrafting.

Also, like it or not...the melee scene is what drives the D2 economy. Without it...even the normal high end rares for PvP would not be worth as much...

XD don't remind me of it ... !

I’ll chime in with my view.

D2R (and D2) is a loot focused gamed first and foremost for me.

Melee PvP more than anything else in the game is most focus on those gear itemizations and time percentage increases because there isn’t a skill component.

It’s basically a playable trophy showcase. I play d2 for find rare and cool items and then using those to acquire other rare and cool items to melee PvP with.

Obviously non-melee PvP is more skill based but skill-based PvP in d2 at all is very lacking, so I don’t seek out this game for that.

But playing around with ultra rare items is fun for me, people can enjoy different things

Also….im old, my reaction time sucks…I don’t need reaction time for melee PvP, I just check out cool items with similarly minded players and roll those digital dice in a fun head to head.

This post was edited by Bmars on Jun 27 2026 02:28pm

Well i'm playing both and I prefer melee

Even though I agree it might requires less 'skills' and reflex as classic high level pvp (which makes me sweat way to much) I prefer melee as it has more thinking and math / optimisation / calculations

But it can be frustrating because of the rng that defines the game, but i really appreciate it

Most people who actually criticizes gm melee have never tried it

Come and try

A cheap build like triple angelics / edc / Fortitude / stormshield / steelrends will get you a long way there and it's pretty cheap if you already have the inventory (if you have a bowzon or a bvc / bva you already have the inventory)


/Edit: also you are asking the good question but you doesn't want to leave you bias
Ask yourself this: if there are that much post about gm melee, maybe i'm missing something, why wouldn't i try a cheap version?

/Edit2: fury druids is also gg and very cheap since shape shift skiller and cerebus / jalal are basically zero cost, come with your 99 fury and try it

This post was edited by Fonzy69 on Jun 29 2026 03:23am