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Zak / Zeal

That's the stupid thing, id feel so confident to kill any char using crushflange (under this ruleset). I would even wager them.
The only chars that benefit from crushflange are: smite (banned), kicker (useless without ele scs, which are also banned). So lmao banning crushflange, is totally nonsensical - you have already ruled out these 2 chars anyway.

This post was edited by chum on Feb 12 2024 06:36am

Hey man, this was nothing personal against your builds. Knockback is just an annoying feature in melee and is banned in basically every melee bracket. Same with stacking ele dmg. This is just supposed to be a classic melee ladder for fun. Would love to have you join up even if its after we start, you can enter any time. If its after i seed you just have to start at the bottom is all.

Will try my best to put something together.
I understand what you mean... however it's frustrating to see yet another viable melee char, stripped from participating.

Btw I do not have a kicker it's just common knowledge that you need cb and ele dmg to compete at 18 melee. Even with both of these you'll still lose to a gg zealer/jabber.

I would highly disagree with this Lee. I could understand allowing maybe CB but ele dmg is been capped for years for the clear reason that ele isn't melee and when you did have your ele dmg kicker she mopped the floor with almost every character you dueled except I think 1 or 2? a melee character almost never has max res except sometimes cold to help with HFD depending on their build and what gear they have available. I had a kicker for quite sometime and with crushflange I found her to be incredibly overpowered. the only issue I found was zealers with there massive crits would get the better of her. CB would be devastating vs something like a bear druid or high life conc barb but might be something to consider down the road to allow it vs some match ups

Just to be clear, crushing blow isnt the issue here its the knockback. There are other weps with crushing blow, feel free to use that on a kicker!

Knell striker
Riots keen
Gnasher

Are all fair game

My ele dmg kicker was like 50k value at the time playing against everyone else who hadn't invested into 18s.
Not to mention it took me forever to find something that actually challenged as the first tour I got rinsed.
Honestly if you or someone made one, you would soon see that other melee chars would beat you more often than not.
Well in the current rule state, tell me one char that would sacrifice clegs sword over crushflange. Its not just the ds vs cb. Clegs also gives alot ar.

Kickers are probably worse than jabbers, zealers and barbs if everyone had invested the same. Without ele dmg or cb, a kicker wouldn't do anything. Which is fine if you don't want to factor them in (which appears to be the case).

This post was edited by chum on Feb 12 2024 11:15am

I'm not fully against allowing them crushflange if we're dueling against a wall or something so the KB wasn't as much of an issue but as far as ele dmg goes it's melee and is capped for many reasons so I'm strongly against ever allowing ele dmg. I agree kickers arnt S tier by any means and yes your kicker was quite pricey and well built where a lot of people were running budget zealers. I forget what our matchup results were but I think my zealer edged out your kicker but my zealer like your kicker has/had a lot of investment put into it. now things like the ele charms are quite cheap and just a inventory of lets say 15/1-10s vs a regular budget char would completely wipe the floor with them by allowing that much ele dmg and cb/kb. kickers don't compete in melee for hld either because there bottom tier when it comes to melee so I don't see changing the rule set just to allow kickers to be over powered a fair idea