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Dec 28 2023 07:47pm
Quote (AlwaysReview @ Dec 28 2023 08:40pm)
Cold is banned because it was affecting the Whirlwind's frame badly. It is not banned because we are lazy.

You are about to ruin the barb duel, just to allow rare weapon with cold dmg. I don't think that's logical.

Hating grief is fine. But that doesn't mean you can force everyone to use rare weapons.

It all seems to me that you (and others) want to eventually sell some specific items by allowing cold dmg.

I'm very unfortunate to see this happening.

I appreciated your effort on running the ladder, but this is just non-sense idiotism to me and many other barbs.

You can keep ignoring us and do what the heck ever you want. But cold dmg will not be welcomed in 'barb vs barb'.


It will be welcomed and used when I create Barb vs Barb pub game.
Also I play as often as I can. I’m no hermit. You are missing the point entirely. Expected more from someone who has played as long as you. And also has a melee character. Who has cannot be frozen on at all times. Cuz why the fuck would you wanna be frozen.
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Dec 28 2023 07:51pm
Quote (AlwaysReview @ Dec 28 2023 05:46pm)
Melee and BvB are two very different leagues. I understand and appreciate his effort on running the ladder.

But that doesn't mean he can change the rules ignoring many barbs who were presented at 'barb vs barb' 90% of the time.

We are complaining since those voters (including Tier1) almost never shows up in the 'barb vs barb' room and decided to change the rules.

Initiating the vote acknowledging many bvb barbs are not in the discord channel just seems to be very ignorant act.

Joining discord shouldn't be mandatory. If you want to initiate the vote, why wouldn't you do it on jsp?


I understand your perspective. My rebuttal is that you and Garen and the other barbs have been invited to the Discord multiple times.

I invited you to this Discord on Discord. Which means I know you have Discord and just don't want to join the server that hosts the community you are actively dueling in. I personally don't understand the reasoning for this, as it leads to situations like this where there are decisions being made and you are purposefully excluding yourself from having a voice in those decisions. Meanwhile, Garen told us that he is too "casual" of a player to join discord, and I'm not going to get into this because I don't think he is just a "casual" gamer.

My other rebuttal is that I've heard that some of the bvb players that are adamantly against the cold unban are just as inactive as Tier is.

While it's been acknowledged that many bvb players aren't in the discord to vote, it's because they're refusing to come in, not because they are being excluded on purpose.

You cannot initiate a vote on jsp, we tried this before with a different gm melee matter and the vote was sabotaged because anyone who has the link can vote. Discord is the most effective and convenient place to settle these matters - you can control who votes and who doesnt (this is why Discord is the most actively used platform for gaming communities).






Adding: to my knowledge, there is one BVB player who has a cold damage weapon & its on ladder so it cannot be used yet. I know of no others who are trying to sell or planning to sell barb weapons with cold damage on it.

This post was edited by Koston on Dec 28 2023 07:53pm
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Dec 28 2023 07:56pm
Quote (Jcc88 @ Dec 28 2023 08:46pm)
banned cold damage was a weak crutch? lmao dude just because u get your hands on a fools weapon that adds cold dmg u want to add cold dmg to bvb thats all. banning cold dmg isnt for the weak players its for the players that dont need to rely on cold dmg to win. if anything adding cold dmg IS a crutch to your barb because u have to waste a good spot for raven or cham a SS when u could use tha socket for a 40/15. your logic isnt making sense just because u wanna use your cold dmg fools man. on top of that youre being rude to people that dont like cold dmg.


when is the people that talk on discord the community now? why isnt the community the people that actually play in Barb vs barb in NL? if anything u guys voted for whoever plays with you. you didnt vote for the community. if we dont want to use cold damage in barb vs barb arent doing it. its simple.


I don’t have a cold damage fools bud. I just use fools when people using rare wep duels. I also have 2 melee rings. Etc etc. relying on cold damage to win? lol
I don’t have the top barb gear. Or anything specific to use besides ravenfrost or 1x 3-9 cold dmg sc. a lot of people realize the ban was just so you can throw a 40/15 in your stormshield and call it a day. It was voted in to ban cold damage when .. omg your whirlwind got slow! and the patch was so new people didn’t want to change a single thing on their barb. I’m just letting the guys who are too shy to join a gaming community know: That it was in fact voted to be a GM rule for ranking systems and tournaments. And stop crying about something so easy to counter if you have half a brain.
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Dec 28 2023 07:58pm
Quote (Tier1 @ Dec 28 2023 06:47pm)
It will be welcomed and used when I create Barb vs Barb pub game.
Also I play as often as I can. I’m no hermit. You are missing the point entirely. Expected more from someone who has played as long as you. And also has a melee character. Who has cannot be frozen on at all times. Cuz why the fuck would you wanna be frozen.


I don't think I missed the point. Adding more variety to the bvb build is fine. But as soon as you allow cold dmg, ppl are forced to use cbf which will limit options for bvb build.

I do also have a melee character but don't treat the melee and the bvb same.

It's funny, you said 'Cuz why the fuck would you wanna be frozen'. No one does, but we also don't want to use raven or cham rune for bvb.

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Dec 28 2023 08:07pm
Quote (Tier1 @ Dec 28 2023 08:56pm)
I don’t have a cold damage fools bud. I just use fools when people using rare wep duels. I also have 2 melee rings. Etc etc. relying on cold damage to win? lol
I don’t have the top barb gear. Or anything specific to use besides ravenfrost or 1x 3-9 cold dmg sc. a lot of people realize the ban was just so you can throw a 40/15 in your stormshield and call it a day. It was voted in to ban cold damage when .. omg your whirlwind got slow! and the patch was so new people didn’t want to change a single thing on their barb. I’m just letting the guys who are too shy to join a gaming community know: That it was in fact voted to be a GM rule for ranking systems and tournaments. And stop crying about something so easy to counter if you have half a brain.


ranking systems and tournaments have nothing to do with the pub barb vs barb game. didnt u say when u make the pub game that cold is allowed? so youre beinging that rule from discord and your friends to a pub game that doesnt play or speak with u guys. makes alot of sense to me man
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Dec 28 2023 08:08pm
Quote (AlwaysReview @ Dec 28 2023 05:58pm)
I don't think I missed the point. Adding more variety to the bvb build is fine. But as soon as you allow cold dmg, ppl are forced to use cbf which will limit options for bvb build.

I do also have a melee character but don't treat the melee and the bvb same.

It's funny, you said 'Cuz why the fuck would you wanna be frozen'. No one does, but we also don't want to use raven or cham rune for bvb.


So let me get this straight.

Someone new to bvb is interested, they check out the gm ladder rules, join the discord, get hyped on cool rare wep duels. Spend their last fg on a fools wep and raven and jump into barb vs barb to test. The barb vs barb pub gang is gonna bm them with a doom wep and be pissy about some cold damage that is super easy to counter?
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Dec 28 2023 08:09pm
Quote (Jcc88 @ Dec 28 2023 09:07pm)
ranking systems and tournaments have nothing to do with the pub barb vs barb game. didnt u say when u make the pub game that cold is allowed? so youre beinging that rule from discord and your friends to a pub game that doesnt play or speak with u guys. makes alot of sense to me man


You guys don’t use Eth fort in a pub game because it’s bm. By a ruleset. You don’t use cold damage because it was decided to be BM.

It’s decided it’s Gm now. So cbf, or die.

All I gotta say ig
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Dec 28 2023 08:10pm
Quote (Tier1 @ Dec 28 2023 09:09pm)
You guys don’t use Eth fort in a pub game because it’s bm. By a ruleset. You don’t use cold damage because it was decided to be BM.

It’s decided it’s Gm now. So cbf, or die.

All I gotta say ig


thats not how it works bud. if u want to have a vite then get your ass in the game and vote it with everyone.
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Dec 28 2023 08:11pm
Quote (Tier1 @ Dec 28 2023 09:09pm)
You guys don’t use Eth fort in a pub game because it’s bm. By a ruleset. You don’t use cold damage because it was decided to be BM.

It’s decided it’s Gm now. So cbf, or die.

All I gotta say ig


its not your way or the highway lol

you dont make the rules. the people do. the community does.
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Quote (Jcc88 @ Dec 28 2023 09:10pm)
thats not how it works bud. if u want to have a vite then get your ass in the game and vote it with everyone.


In game voting is like in game trading. It phased out 20 years ago.
It’s you who has to get with the times. Not me.
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