let's assume 7.5% cb chance (average roll)

yes, the missile cb damage is half of melee's (5% vs 10%)

let's assume when we hit opponent, their health will be around 1000 or 1100 on average (let's calculate assuming 1050)

then in this patch, average number of hits to kill opponent is probably around 5 or 6 so let's say 5.5

with all these numbers, we can expect an average cb roll to provide an average of around 22 hp worth of damage per duel. if we go up to 10%cb on a nice pair of gloves, we're looking at around 29 or 30 life per duel.

blood gloves also provide 10-20 life roll. vampirebone base provides a lot of def with low str req.

overall, we can see the cb + life rolls as being roughly equivalent to a tier-1 affix like 15 str or 15 dex.

these days, knockback is extremely underwhelming. when it does proc (rarely, for some reason), char moves across the screen a few inches with zero consequence.


jesus, chad. those vamps would be worth 200k in the melee community if they had 20ias instead of rep.

I've been on a roll this week, found so much top tier zon stuff for cheap, I just had to rebuild her

Interesting. I suppose if you can no longer get double stun frame locked it’s not very good.

I’m assuming you can’t get DAE locked either anymore?

excellent performance




these are good questions. i tried to ask around and figure out how many frames zon would be locked for when knocked back, and everyone basically confirmed the number of frames for fhr is the same whether knocked back or not. i don't know all of the nuances.

DAE locks are gone for sure. I suspect they also affected KB recovery. I can’t recall the last time I’ve noticed being kb’d

I would just use KB in zva

That’s good to know as I was going to splurge on some KB gloves. Thanks boys!

If anyone sees some decent gloves lmk

Also still looking for a decent lifer 🐻

consider checking with Tuse to see if this one is still available. i rocked this one for several months. bought it for 8k, sold it for 8k, and i think it'll be tough to find a better price. you can always upgrade to higher def in the future.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98340255&f=268

will keep an eye out for gloves.

Cb is totally worthless on ranged, and kb is supposed to proc 50% of the time. Who knows what the coders did on the new game. A high damage hit stuns like kb. Maybe kb isn’t working at all and the proc you’re getting is a dmg stun.

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