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Oct 16 2014 01:49pm
Quote (Mstrforce @ Oct 16 2014 02:39pm)
You cannot go BACK to stash, there's nothing that says you cannot go to stash pre duel. That rule is in place to stop people from going to the moor sight prebuff gear, casting BO and shout, then going back to stash to get their dueling gear and then returning to the moor. If you demon limb before the duel at the stash and then cast BO/ shout before the duel starts, no prebuffing (except for demon limb) can take place.

Why would swapping jewels be a bad thing? You wouldn't need to because you still need AR, and even if you wanted to, that would further speed up duels.

I'm not suggesting we change it because "that's what we did in my day", I'm suggesting it be out to a vote and a trial before any change would even be considered. Change isn't a bad thing tho :)



then how can u chant if u dont go back to stash? lose 1 bo wep?

Also, where is your barb?! I see talk but u haven't joined the ladder/duelled yet as promised!

Quote (klax12 @ Oct 16 2014 02:34pm)
I vote we should.  Per your example here's a little theorycrafting.

Regular grief eth rune = -25% target defense (halved for PvP to 12.5%)
you have 22.8k defense which means your base def is 2814.

87.5% (100-12.5) of 2814 is 2462.25.

Means regular grief hit checks your AR (assume 24k) against 19,944.23 defense.

That AR/DR equates to a 54.76% chance to hit, 13.69% chance with block factored in.

Grief of Doom for example has Lo and Um runes in it but no eth.

no eth means AR/DR hit checks out to a 51.43% chance to hit (12.85% after block factored)

Is 3.34% chance to hit wrth more than 20% DS and 25% OW? 

That's up to the user



Damn it Kraig my defense is top secret :rofl:

my base def is 2814 <-- you sure about that?

but yeah I see what you mean.

Is 3.34% chance to hit wrth more than 20% DS and 25% OW? (Regular grief has DS too). its 40 vs 65% OW VS 3.34% chance to hit. Im not arguing that Grief of Doom is better but regular grief is viable.
There's also the fact GoD has cold dmg...would be basically dirt playing galore. Im not sure i agree with cold at all times, its kinda frowned upon on west but allowed on east. Also it makes duels random.

Also, regarding the defense and the eth rune, personally I switched to SA before when all of us started using it (u, drew, jake etc), back when i had AP / Garreat build..But Im back to AP atm for 2 reasons: 1) the challenge 2) I dont think defense is as important in ww than it is in melee.

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Oct 16 2014 01:55pm
Quote (BeSh @ 16 Oct 2014 13:53)
LOLOL ass

my 22.8k def barb was outtanking him lol..he started fleeing like a pub. Why u think i raged?!

I use AP to give pubs like him a chance..not gonna make SA and make this ladder a bunch of copy/pasted chars


Top secret defense eh?!

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Oct 16 2014 01:57pm
Quote (klax12 @ Oct 16 2014 02:55pm)
Top secret defense eh?!


oops
22744 actually..redo your math and lmk lolz

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oops
22744 actually..redo your math and lmk lolz


19901 def, 13.70% chance to hit (block factored in) ;)
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Oct 16 2014 02:10pm
Quote (klax12 @ Oct 16 2014 03:01pm)
19901 def, 13.70% chance to hit (block factored in)  ;)


hmm pmd iso your formula..too lazy to dig it up
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Oct 16 2014 02:23pm
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Is 3.34% chance to hit wrth more than 20% DS and 25% OW? 

That's up to the user


Sorry sir that is not correct.

It's not up to the user, ask the legend and await his guidance and blindly follow it.
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Oct 16 2014 02:25pm
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Sorry sir that is not correct.

It's not up to the user, ask the legend and await his guidance and blindly follow it.


troll alertttt


dOOd Kraig wrote the code for d2
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Oct 16 2014 02:30pm
Quote (BeSh @ Oct 16 2014 04:25pm)
troll alertttt


dOOd Kraig wrote the code for d2


im confused now... who do I PM to ask for help with my shitty bvb?

should i just PM him?

Quote (DaLiNkWeNT @ Oct 16 2014 02:42pm)

If any 1 wants to spar or test vs a real legend feel free to pm me  B)


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Oct 16 2014 02:32pm
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im confused now... who do I PM to ask for help with my shitty bvb? 

should i just PM him?


Let me know i can help you work with w/e u have.
Im in bvb/1

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Oct 16 2014 02:40pm
Quote (BeSh @ Oct 16 2014 03:49pm)
then how can u chant if u dont go back to stash? lose 1 bo wep?

Also, where is your barb?! I see talk but u haven't joined the ladder/duelled yet as promised!


You misunderstand. You use demon limb in town before battle orders and shout. You don't need to recast if you win, it lasts a long ass time.

If you prebuff you have to get body, go to town, switch gear, go to moor, BO/shout, back to town, switch gear, back to moor.

If you demon limb you get body, go to town, demon limb, then back to moor.

It's the same amount of trips to town as if you had to buy mana pots.

As for my barb, I'm currently working on getting FG for a level job :)
Just because I don't have my barb means I can't offer suggestions or insight?
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