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Jan 26 2022 12:07pm
Quote (Kochoniasty @ 26 Jan 2022 13:06)
we're playing with Jordang tomorrow at 7pm :)


good cause im ready to give you the duels you were looking for D:

also sox or bibu, come get me

This post was edited by LOLRagezzz on Jan 26 2022 12:08pm
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Always check the Current Challenges section and don't forget to PM the user about the match!
Interested in joining? Please read the Ladder Rules before signing up! - Check First page!
The life replenish maximum limit has been reduced to 22!
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European Vs North American challenges will adhere to this format :
2 FT5 matches played 1 set on each region - if the result is a tie - defender will claim victory.
Dodge rule will also be changed to 7 days for EU vs NA challenges.




~ Updated Zon vs Zon Ladder ~

1. afk / -Mammal / Itzmewerdy#11957
2. AA / BluntsGLI / StackBundles#1208
3. Virtuosity / jordang / Jord#11769
4. Andromeda / Karusano / lllllllllll#1970
5. deineMutter / Kochoniasty / Kocho#2790 (EU)
6. RB / modernfamiry / Rbz#1175
7. Butters / LOLRagezzz / LOLRagezzz#1746
8. Prosie / BibukBibukowski / Bibuk#2556 (EU)
9. Lies / Soxfan24 / visdev#1422
10. Bowas / Tusebruto / Tusebruto#1327 (EU)
11. Prime / Graceful / redrum#1414
12. Xiaolongnu / GoD-Viper / VIP#2152 (EU)
13. Hannah / alexisonfire678 / FourtyOz#11756
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~ Current Challenges ~

10. Bowas / Tusebruto / Tusebruto#1327 (EU) [vs.] 12. Xiaolongnu / GoD-Viper / VIP#2152 (EU) Dodge/Null - Jan 30th
3. Virtuosity / jordang / Jord#11769 [vs.] 5. deineMutter / Kochoniasty / Kocho#2790 (EU) Dodge/Null - Jan 26th
6. RB / modernfamiry / Rbz#1175 [vs.] 4. Andromeda / Karusano / lllllllllll#1970 Dodge/Null - Jan 30th
14. Ferdia / Ferdia / Ferdia#2746 (EU) [vs.] 13. Hannah / alexisonfire678 / FourtyOz#11756 Dodge/Null - Jan 30th

~ Previous Matches ~

7. RB / modernfamiry / Rbz#1175 [vs.] 6. Butters / LOLRagezzz / LOLRagezzz#1746 Modernfamiry
8. Prosie / BibukBibukowski / Bibuk#2556 (EU) [vs.] 6. RB / modernfamiry / Rbz#1175 Modernfamiry



~ Mediators ~

-Mammal
LOLRagezzz
BluntsGLI
modernfamiry
jordang


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Jan 26 2022 12:10pm
Quote (LOLRagezzz @ Jan 26 2022 07:07pm)
good cause im ready to give you the duels you were looking for D:

also sox or bibu, come get me


yeah, can't wait to play against you :)
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Jan 26 2022 12:28pm
i guarantee you, you could throw all the rng in the world in a matchup and a skilled zon will trump a less seasoned zon almost always[/QUOTE]

in the current paradigm, yes, but let's say, for the sake of argument, that GA ranged from 1-100k damage and a lucky newb can one-shot a pro. idk why we'd want to allow more RNG considering we're already at a point where multi will only hit about 1/13 times when an opponent has shield up, then 50% open wounds proc. there's already an abundance of RNG. i haven't seen anyone make an argument along these lines: "zvz doesn't have enough RNG; we should make duels more chaotic"

regarding accessibility/cost, rand jeweler's armors with some cheap jewels are comparable to fort at this point. one of the most interesting elements of d2 has always been finding trophy items. if superior gmb bases didn't exist, everyone used 2x ravenfrost instead of 1x raven with a rare/crafted ring, itemization becomes less interesting.

i have yet to see a 500+ def ap with 4os, 100 life, whereas there are probably multiple perf fort rolls in 15ed AP on the market right now. it's fun to dream of trophy items and calculate the difference between a 4xx def armor vs 500+.
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Jan 26 2022 12:35pm
We all lose unlucky rounds but.

Quote (-Mammal @ Jan 26 2022 06:03pm)
waiting on my throne KID


There is no way a newbie will beat you in a FT5 no matter what changes blizzard makes.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 26 2022 12:36pm
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Jan 26 2022 12:38pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 26 2022 01:35pm)
We all lose unlucky rounds but.



There is no way a newbie will beat you in a FT5 no matter what changes blizzard makes.


This I will agree with :angel:
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Jan 26 2022 12:39pm
i don't want this point to get strawmanned:

there's already an abundance of RNG. i haven't seen anyone make an argument along these lines: "zvz doesn't have enough RNG; we should make duels more chaotic"
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Jan 26 2022 12:44pm
Quote (jordang @ Jan 26 2022 01:39pm)
i don't want this point to get strawmanned:

there's already an abundance of RNG. i haven't seen anyone make an argument along these lines: "zvz doesn't have enough RNG; we should make duels more chaotic"


but the numbers suggest less rng with the fort

the chilling proc will only prevent random multi hits.. again less rng

the damage range being the same... the question would be just how much better is fort/shadow then a gmb/16060
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Jan 26 2022 12:46pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Jan 26 2022 01:44pm)
but the numbers suggest less rng with the fort

the chilling proc will only prevent random multi hits.. again less rng

the damage range being the same... the question would be just how much better is fort/shadow then a gmb/16060


this appears to be a bad-faith argument; you'd have to elaborate/clarify if otherwise.
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Jan 26 2022 12:47pm
If you have the time to ask the question just maxroll it.
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