whyd they ban fort again? sorry its been awhile was just about to make a hybrid on d2r and my legacy uses fort whats a good swap i cant go glass cannon its no good for me i cant have fun i like to vs all in pubs and i enjoy tanking a little even though i max frw i dont utilize it completely non stop

This post was edited by eyeslow on Jan 26 2022 11:17am

chilling armor is the main thing. imo there are other factors: 7 rep doesn't fit into the current meta, generally uninteresting item that's too accessible/boring. 160-60 with high life and def is a lot more stylish.

fort is banned zvz.. chilling armor proc was an issue before but now questionable with new d/a/e skills

use whatever you want zva

def not the rep.. the rep fits cause you in theory only need 2 on a ring or jewel with a fort to meet this ladders restrictions

E/ the dude brings up a good point.. if chilling armor isnt proccing d/a/e then why not use fort? aside from attack speed issues with a gmb

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jan 26 2022 11:24am

interesting thought, if CA doesn't matter would be cool to unban it

opens up more build options and makes it easier to get into zvz

^^

i wonder what the damage difference looks like with a fort/shadow bow or matri vs 16060 + a gmb..

obv the downside of fort is attackspeed

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jan 26 2022 11:29am

use whatever you want zva<— this

ZvZ main thing is no slow/psn

Tbh fort is very good and would probably be used a lot more than anything due to its damage potential if it wasntbanned

This post was edited by modernfamiry on Jan 26 2022 11:28am

regardless of whether chilling armor stops GA (a lot of ppl were convinced it did many years ago, but i don't think it does on D2R), the massive defense from sup bases with fort's 200 enhanced def combined with 248-second duration chilling armor (an additional 115% def) is enough to give whoever has chilling armor up a non-trivial advantage. chance to proc chilling armor adds more rng to zvz and each duel should start on even ground without having to wait a few mins for chilling armor to wear off.

it was a common misconception at the time that chilling armor was an unfair advantage (this was always false)

however from a gearing perspective - fort is much more exclusive of build variety (Nos will always be BM - I guess you can use Gwrap or a dia bow? lol)

Original amapk didn't have access to fort of course it's just a representation of keeping it OG while having access to different setups that arent exclusive to fort.

the whole thing is rng

damage, crits, block, dodge

and def only matters for multi not GA



yeah would have to be diamond/shadow build unless we get FoI up in d2r somehow haha

This post was edited by BluntsGLI on Jan 26 2022 11:30am

i wonder what the damage difference looks like with a fort/shadow bow or matri vs 16060 + a gmb..

obv the downside of fort is attackspeed

anyone able to compare ga dmg with a typical zvz charm setup?