D2r Gm Bowa Zon Vs Zon - Topic

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Jan 3 2022 11:58pm

Quote (Aspawn_EXEM @ Jan 4 2022 12:45am)

Alright. Shaft 40/15 vs ber’d gaze.

Swirls. Other then swirls it’s 30 dr high def 60 life armor vs 20 dr dual leech. With swirls

Jewelers 160/60 of whale and gaze vs shaft and jewelers of speed.

30 r/w = 10 sc’s. 100 life = 5 sc’s why not jtos

If going zva having a swappable armor for fort seems better

have you checked out the maxroll.gg d2 planner? it takes a little while to set up but it's great for calculations. shaft and gaze are both viable. 160-60 armor with 100 life is still extremely expensive. you can go either way depending on your budget. i decided to use a temp 93 life armor with 154-60 jewels.

yeah if you want to play zva and zvz on the same char without respeccing, you'll want to have convenient options. a lot of us are built around zvz primarily.

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Jan 4 2022 12:08am

45 dr vs 43? Bow side. Just feel shaft side save you a ber. Is it an overall 5% penalty?

I do my chars in hero before building. Just trying to figure stuff out

My apologies for the questions. Don’t wanna waste fg

Ber’d shaft / nos coil bm?

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Jan 4 2022 02:40am

I lost vs jordang, gds

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Jan 4 2022 03:58am

Quote (Aspawn_EXEM @ 4 Jan 2022 07:08)

Cos coil is banned due to slow factor and also you lost 15dr/40vita from Verdungo.

Shaft (ed/ias) + 120/45 vs 160/60 + gaze (ber) ->
250 vs missiles / 60 To Life / 2 Dr / 5 Frw (~33life) vs 100 Life / Hit indicator ->
250 vs Missiles / 2Dr vs 7 Life / Hit Indicator

For me hit indicator is key factor here to pick gaze over shaft and also over 30/3ber.
If I can craft a ring with 7ll+ I would go for 30/3ber but basically to to have more than 3ll on craft ring you sacrifice 1 of it mode for it.
Theoretically speaking the perfect meele craft ring would be 3ll/25str/15dex/60life/9rl or 11ll/25str/15dex/60life :-)

Quote (jordang @ 4 Jan 2022 04:48)

wanted to chime in on the gaze vs 30frw debate

ik i've said this before but i feel as though it's often overlooked: the 15 magic damage reduction on gaze is a huge factor for three reasons: fire damage from faith, cold damage from ravenfrost, and (to a lesser degree) light damage from javs. assuming you get hit with 6x arrows on average per duel, that's 120 total fire damage before resists and ~30 cold damage before resists + sorb.

with gaze and 15 mdr, you're looking at 5 fire damage per arrow before resists (so about total 30 damage before resists or ~20-15 total fire damage after resists) and it totally negates cold damage afaict (45 max divided by 6 minus 15 is effectively zero)

TLDR: 15 mdr creates a difference of about 60 hp per duel assuming ~40 fire res and cold res, or close to 3% hp assuming 2100 health. not the biggest game changer but certainly significant. also consider frw charms are cheaper than lifers.

Thank you for sharing those information bro. I never thought of that. Basically 60hp from 1 item is huge different. We can assume that those 15mdr on gaze = 60life on shaft.

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Jan 4 2022 09:11am

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Jan 4 2022 11:04am

challenge Jord, will try to post update next page if no one alrdy on it

Quote (Aspawn_EXEM @ Jan 4 2022 12:56am)

Says 5% speed loss.at 150 r/w shouldn’t that be 7.5? Considering a 150 r/w

you have to look at actual run speed instead of FRW %, it's 5% of your actual run speed and the gain from FRW is not linear

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDv7ZwsUMj8

cool! this is pretty much how I think about it too

who u duellin there? havent seen that zon yet but name looks similar to karu btag lol

Quote (GoD-Viper @ Jan 4 2022 04:58am)

Theoretically speaking the perfect meele craft ring would be 3ll/25str/15dex/60life/9rl or 11ll/25str/15dex/60life :-)

these rings actually impossible, all 4 of those mods are prefix (or suffix, i forget which). would have to replace one mod with 30 lightres

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Jan 4 2022 11:10am

Quote (BluntsGLI @ Jan 4 2022 12:04pm)

challenge Jord, will try to post update next page if no one alrdy on it

cool! this is pretty much how I think about it too

who u duellin there? havent seen that zon yet but name looks similar to karu btag lol

i'm usually on late at night. stayed up all night like a degen.

Moon is one of RB's friends, i think.

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Jan 4 2022 11:28am