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Mar 13 2016 01:01pm

Thanks for posting, havent gone all the way through because it's small. Did you take into account 20 stats with travs?

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Mar 13 2016 01:05pm

Quote (Chased @ Mar 13 2016 02:01pm)

Thanks for posting, havent gone all the way through because it's small. Did you take into account 20 stats with travs?

Quote (2v2 @ Mar 13 2016 01:54pm)

Didn't read through it but did you also list that fire damach cannot crit like the 3 max can?

ye its all taken into account

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#14123

Mar 13 2016 01:13pm

Cool. Gotta put on my glasses and go over it. Never used gores much zvz, but I did extensive testing on melee and gores always won out.

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Mar 13 2016 05:15pm

tldr, already knew. ancient knowledge

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#14125

Mar 13 2016 05:30pm

Quote (HayzBaby @ 13 Mar 2016 18:15)

tldr, already knew. ancient knowledge

Thanks for that constructive post.

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Mar 13 2016 05:43pm

Quote (2v2 @ Mar 13 2016 01:54pm)

Didn't read through it but did you also list that fire damach cannot crit like the 3 max can?

yeah, if you look at the guided damage equation youll see that only the physical portion of the damage is multiplied by a factor of (1 + Chance to do double damage)

Quote (Chased @ Mar 13 2016 02:01pm)

Thanks for posting, havent gone all the way through because it's small. Did you take into account 20 stats with travs?

yeah, if you notice the travs setup has 20 more life than the gores
wearing travs requires 2x more 3frw sc's(40 life), but the 20 stats = 60 life, so travs setup will have 20 more life than a gores setup. Obviously if you have 5frw sc's, then travs will have 40 more life(only need 1x more 5frw sc), but that wouldnt make enough difference to overcome the damage. It would make it closer though.

Quote (Chased @ Mar 13 2016 02:13pm)

Cool. Gotta put on my glasses and go over it. Never used gores much zvz, but I did extensive testing on melee and gores always won out.

if you right click it and save it, you can probably blow it up on your computer, It looks easier to read on my 27" monitor at work, at home it is very small :/

Quote (HayzBaby @ Mar 13 2016 06:15pm)

tldr, already knew. ancient knowledge

den why u use dat hyperion shield :lol:

lol, long time no see

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#14127

Mar 13 2016 06:15pm

sold that long ago, using a perf upped Whistans, better stats plus its wayyy cheaper rofl

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Mar 13 2016 06:41pm

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Mar 13 2016 06:54pm

Quote (HayzBaby @ Mar 13 2016 08:15pm)

sold that long ago, using a perf upped Whistans, better stats plus its wayyy cheaper rofl

Hey Hayz, teach me how to up set items babe

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Mar 13 2016 07:22pm

Quote (Arelax @ Mar 13 2016 07:45am)

Figured I'd share this with you guys. I did comparisons of ZvZ builds, comparing gores vs travs, cats vs highlords, 3max sc's vs fire sc's, and all of those different combinations.
Mathematically, what makes one build better than the other is survivability
Assume you have two equally skilled duelers, whichever build takes more hits to kill is the better build. So I do a Life/Guided damage(average) comparison between the two builds.

TLDR:
Gores are better than War Travs
Cats eye is better than highlords
19-29 fire dmg small charms are better than 3max IF your opponent has less than 50 fire res. If they have more than 50 fire res then 3max sc's are better
It is always best to stat dex for max block, then rest to vita. Adding 100 extra dex is not as good as adding 100 extra Vita. (this is not included below but I did compare them)

Note also that adding 100 extra dex will give you more AR, which helps multi hit more often, but it only increases your chance to hit from ~ 89% to 92%.
Also, some things cant be tested, like if you put a 40ed/9dex jewel in gaze, then ber your shield, you will have 40DR bow/48DR shield. Which is better, (40ed/9dex + 40DR bowside) or (48DR bow side), thats up to you.
Whistans will look better on paper due to it being able to get max block with 177dex, while swordback needs 244(?), but swordback has that 50%OW on switch which is hard to account for mathematically.
Same with gores, gores are better on paper because the 15 DS increases chance to do double damage by 4-5%, and mathematically the 10% Ow is counted as 10% * 306. So gores are great, but if that OW doesnt proc, then travs will be better.

Gear that doesnt change in comparisons:
08 Gaze(Ber)
Perf titans / Perf Swordback(30ed/9dex/60ar/30light res jewel)
Faith GMB / 350 arrows
Perf Ravenfrost / 111AR/20str/38 life/9 life rep/82 mana/29 light res rare ring
Perfect tel:tel:160/60/100160160/60/100160[/URL]/60/100[/URL] life AP
Perfect Dungos
2pass/20ias/kb/14str/14dex gloves

Inventory
Torch/anni
Some 3/11 light res if not using highlords
All 3max/20ar (3frw or 20 life) except when using 14x 19-29fire/(3frw or 20life) sc's

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/scaleras/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-13%20at%203.31.27%20AM_zpsfhhp7hty.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/scaleras/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-13%20at%203.31.44%20AM_zpstertwhxo.png

Lol you're comparing blades of grass

At the end of the day, none of this matters too much, because skill >

Nice work though

This post was edited by Obstacle1 on Mar 13 2016 07:22pm

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