Tbh you don't gain much with perfect items.
For exampled take arma slippers vs 3comb 100 life or p maras. No arguments from me, arma is king of the 3. But costs, lastt I checked over a year ago, 1200 more than either. And you only really gain about 200-400 more smite dmg, bout the same foh dmg cause od conv ttrade off for a vt, about 100 life over maras/comb ammy. Though idr the exact amount, ik I'm being generous on both accs though. Ill edit this post with the link with proof that Epion posted with to see the details.
But my point really is. With some items perfect counts a lot. 10 more res with maras, 10% more sorb on your wisp., 10% mpre fcr/45 res on your st spirit matters.
20 def, 7 mag sorb, lmfao 15 more dura points, and another 2k fg for a perf st spirit vs just 35/45 st that does the same shit... for style points really.

Same token, I understand p nigmas. Gg def for your pala/bvc ofcshoes. And using a fpm nig on your druid or hdin for style does believe it or not have a psyche out effect in pubs cause of originality.
So there ARE occassions where it helps, but its few and far and in between with perf item costs vs the possibility of fg loss of duping.

Edit it wasn't Epion who posted it. It was iFujitive.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=15142671&f=53

This post was edited by SwanoW on Aug 24 2010 04:15pm

Yea true that, i don't need 10x more 32020's i just need some 3/xx/20's. I like as much life as i can get, AR isn't as important to me tbh.

Really, a total of 20 more life is only beneficial over a period of 50 or so duels. Perspective being, if you have 2k life minus replenish, in 50 duels that's 100k hit points. With that extra 20 life from those charms, that's 2k life. Amounting to generally 4 good sustained hits from opponents. So yeah you kinda do get saved by it in that amount of duels. But again as with all perfs, you pay a fuckton more to get a little more edge.
The reason I won't bash life on charms vs ar on a bowzon is, a lil extra vita doesn't hurt ya.
Ifujitive is probably a top 10 respected member/dueler in useast forums. I agree with him in the link in my post about. Life is the first most important thing on a char.(well I mean hit points as es sorcs don't use life) then dmg then the rest.
When I had a v/t I only ever lost to v/ts who had the edge of using 45 life pcombs vs my average of 35-43 life pcombs. All other statts I seldom had less dmg. So if you weren't a better dueler than me, and didn't have the life advantge of me, you needed me tp make a mistake.
Same rule with zons. You need to be substantially better, or have a life edge on me. Arelax for example used to used a 2200 life build, or something like that. I've always had just over 2k. So life adv goes to him, and I never bet him ft5. Ofc stephan is better at zvz then me.
I only dueled pedro 3 or so ft5, we about broke even. And his build had 300 less life than mine, but had better frw by far. Like 100 if I recall rigt.
Frw, life, dmg ect are key for a zon.
300 more ar translating into 1200 overall ar doesn't help as much as tha 20 extra life your paying for.
I don't agree with spending all the much more when you could spend it wiser into other items for your zon. But I understand if you wsnt that edge.

Phew! Damned thumbs are cramped!

Very good perspective bro, props to you. I myself try with a half life/dex build myself. I only rock 1800 life, but that in doing so adds more dmg that i do. I might have to rethink it but for now thats what build has worked best for me. With all my charms i should have enough life to add a little into life to equal out to 1800 and the rest into dex adding no doubt mb and better dmg, but it will even out in my head because more damage on a higher life zon would be the same as less dmg on a lower life zon. But then again you have to take into account Critical strike and the luck of the blow ya know? So there is alot of things to look at, i myself haven't found that perfect build for me, im not sure if other zons from this ladder have found theirs yet or will ever find that perfect build for them ya know? So all in all, i guess it just depends on what gear you use, the setup, different gears make different strategies. Like Cain i know has alot more DEF than me. Because of his shaft build, but idk what kinda dmg he does so haha But very well put in your last post bro i liked reading it

I did write up a guide for a zva zon before I joined the useast ladder zvz ladder last year.
In it I did the breakdowns for dmg n calc. Adding up enhanced dmg from fort/guided arrow/dex vs the min dmg off the weapon/jewels ect. That's fairly easy to do. But I did the how to calc how much crits you needed for effective dmg with the ed from gear/skills/dex. Unfortunately I didn't add it to jsp, I posted it on my guilds priv forums as to not release all my secrets... the current guild owner who took over for the founder let the site ffall apart and it died.. and now its lost. I don't even have a copy of it. But it had builds/gear setups and more dmg than any other zon I've seen except for trojan. His zon has 12k fury dmg. (Pheonix/sickest javas on ne realm with over 500 max dmg!)
Ahhh I wanna buy more of that gear I used iidr what all it was now :/

Me and Eden jab dueled about 20 times and i came out winner at about 18-2 hahahaha no joke he was like...wtfz?

I don't have jab on my zon at all. Never have. I use bolt/fury only. Range > mulitiple hits you gotta run through powerful attacks to land.
Jab only really works on es sorcs as far as I'm concerned.
Dunno what edens jab dmg is though. Though it shoulda been considerable with 12k fury. Cause at the least that's 11.5k phys. Maxed fury on a bowa hybrid is typically 1100-1300. Rest is phys.

yea haha, i use jab sometimes, and i gotta tell ya it's helped me out alot in some duels, just ask Jer LOL

Jer is bias w/ jab -.-
But ask him how many times he EVER landed a single jab on me. I think only eden ever jabbed me even once. But he's rigged.. 220+ frw..
Bottom line range will always be superior quick, mulitple melee attacks. Look at it like this: in zva did you ever lose to a zealer or fury druid with your zon? Same rule applies in zvz
Its really a gamble to hope dodge/block saves your ass before you get to your opponent.
Ofcourse one jab attack csn kill s full life zon in one attack. But if you can't actually get to them before they fire shots off, its a fools rush.
Maybe I'm wrong due to havingno experience using it. But I don't ever get hit by jab to think its useful.
Maybe jer can explain the mechnics of it to clear the air for me haha

i think i have jab pk'ed just about every zon that's rolled through here