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sutton did use it on/off though

I can vouch that...

somewhere between pages 5-800 I propose its banned... Aftering Sutton turning a 4-0 lead into a 5-4 win for him.

But no luck. :3

imo the shield crosses all kinds of lines that imo are OP.. But our 'mediators' deemed it was tested//viable.



I still think it should be banned personally..

It almost makes no sense to use a different shield... -- ofc you can try to play out the off/odd chance your SWB pulls out a bleed from your arrows, but this is so uncommon it really doesn't make much sense to use a different shield..

Torch procs, fire dmg sc's Fire absorb.. Max res increase, the aura is disruptive, and so is the 40% chance of casting level 22 firestorm... -- Sutton nailed me with the firestorm during our duels.. in a ladder where item procs should have no place..

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ZvZ Rules
- Faith bows are allowed.
- Fortitude armors are banned.
- No non-amazon skills (Enchant, BO, Teleport, Werebear, etc).
- No cube in inventory.
- No chance to cast % curses/skills (Exceptions include: torch, default spawn mods from crafts).
- No slow target (Nosferatu's Coil is Banned).
- No poison dmg (Plague javelin, charms, etc).
- Regular throw, Jab, Lightning Fury and Bolt are allowed but don't abuse it (Javazons are not allowed).
- Multi is allowed but don't abuse it (keep the 3-volley rule in mind).
- Inventory checks can be requested at anytime during a duel.
- Maximum Replenish Life is 30.
- Open wounds is limited to 75%.
- Slow missiles is NOT allowed.
- Inner sight is allowed.
- Do not leave blood moor.
- Do not Prebuff.
- Do not Prespam.
- Do not use mercs.
- Change sides on map every duel if agreed upon.
- You are not allowed to cross the bridge if a bridge is present.
- Playing overly defensive, Circling around walls/Constantly staying near a bridge/house etc, isn't GM.
- Halting the duel to buy more arrows is allowed if agreed upon.
- Duels take place in Nightmare, map must be cleaned before the match starts.

the statement 'mods from crafts' is referring to crafted glove procs, which are by far, far less disruptive the firestorm and redemption..

I truly believe the shield is bm.

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jun 27 2015 05:28pm

I fully agree with Hepzibah

Just the 40% chance to cast firestorm clearly breaks the no chance to cast skills and that should be enough, if not for some reason it should at least be added to the exceptions

I've used it for a total of like 3 matches

Personally I don't mind if it gets banned...The block rate seems really slow and it's actually weird winning close range trades.

imo its really not op at all and people dont use it because there are better shields

the redemption is a non-amazon skill, but it doesnt do anything as long as the corpses are redempted before the game

most of us are good enough to dodge furys nowadays so if someone has phoenix, u stay the fuck back or walk around them with arrows

you need like 300+ dex for max block with this shield so it costs u alot of extra life

the 40% firestorm isnt that much higher than a 25% torch.....

but you are right, if you read the rules, it probably should be banned due to the no non-amazon skills, and the high % chance of firestorm

i also never thought about using an inventory of fire dmg sc's, firing GA's then switching to this shield for the -enemy fire res...thats beast

I don't use fire scs regardless. Only used it for the fury dmg. Agree with all though. Better shields for sure... And I wish I didn't have to have 318 dex. Probably going to try jmod this time

Also agree w the point that most people kite/attack move around furies

:/

sb beats phoenix at its own game.
the addition of fire scs is very nice but imo ele scs are what should be banned.
Phoenix is high risk/ high reward imo. The combo with scs might push it into op territory but its not been something commonly tested.
Can't ban over ingenuity.

IMO you shouldn't ban off builds. Leaves no variety or counter play. I have 37 on my
Mules if you wanna test. Leaving no variety makes it so boring.