Fair enough

especially in barb+sorc teams barb has a minor role in inflicting damage vs ama based teams and wc skiller setup encourages passive play from barb "bo and afk".
this is why we banned bo weapons in tvt.
i do, however, see the argument in wc skillers being a cheap yet viable option for beginners.
another option would limit block on sorceress (eg by forbidding whistans).
happy for inputs and help in testing different solutions.

This post was edited by harabec on Jun 21 2015 12:16pm

the other teams just need to play better ? XD

you see that kev? stop being noob

well i dont think its about playing better. im not sure but i think chum and jeebus didnt play together in that matchup before? correct me if im wrong. anyway you played well together

what i want to say is, if theres a team which is well attuned it might get even worse for the ama teams

it was our first time playing together, however we have both played in this matchup several times.
the problem with ama / pala teams is: sometimes palas concentrate so much on giving all 3 auras and forget about defending the bowies and positioning hammers in good positions.

i must admit i do think barb/fb > pala/bow.

For Barb + ESFB, vs Ama+Libby, my experience is that the team plays best when the Barb hides in a corner and the ESFB'er does his thing. there is no practice needed for that. Alternatively the Barb can try to distract one of the opponents while the fb'er goes for the other. ESFB jumps the ama when the libby is not close. the first tactic appears to work best, most of the time. If the esfb' (bo'd) can successfully Kill a Bowa and a Libby, well, fair play to him.

its not a hopeless matchup and ama + libby does quite well vs other teams.

but Bowa needs 85res in team duels.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 21 2015 12:55pm

this is the major reason that speaks for forbidding wc skillers imo.

ama takes 297dmg with 75+dwarf and 255dmg with noko vs 10k fb, but with noko you lose 100life and 3psv so the two options are pretty close. resist on amazon is not the problem.

This post was edited by harabec on Jun 21 2015 01:06pm

maybe its a good idea to unbann bo weapons & bo skillers, but maximum 1 point in bo for barb sorc / teams (or lvl 5 or 10, i dont know)
another thing could be to ban enchant for sorc because the micro stun of firedmg is very mad in that matchup

This post was edited by Obstgarten on Jun 21 2015 01:11pm

anyone up for 2n2?