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Jul 30 2014 11:41am
I don't play junk builds I just happen to base my builds on rule sets that are tried & tested and established during 1.10-1.11. Clearly as the game population died some classes and their respective rules have been forgotten. I am simply trying to enlighten.

Are hybrids allowed to use absorb at all as straightedgereverse implied? Because I am indeed a wof/ww hybrid. But if I cannot use a wisp like a pure ghost could I might as well just avoid this ladder altogether.

These simplistic rules remind me of the days when fire druids were not allowed to use absorb because the rule-set was only designed to prevent wind druids from abusing cyclone armor.
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Jul 30 2014 11:44am
Quote (Gilgameshed @ Jul 30 2014 01:41pm)
I don't play junk builds I just happen to base my builds on rule sets that are tried & tested and established during 1.10-1.11.  Clearly as the game population died some classes and their respective rules have been forgotten.  I am simply trying to enlighten.

Are hybrids allowed to use absorb at all as straightedgereverse implied?  Because I am indeed a wof/ww hybrid.  But if I cannot use a wisp like a pure ghost could I might as well just avoid this ladder altogether.

These simplistic rules remind me of the days when fire druids were not allowed to use absorb because the rule-set was only designed to prevent wind druids from abusing cyclone armor.


Times have changed, Koda.
I personally believe that they should atleast be given a wisp/dwarf/lo/vex use but nothing else.
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Jul 30 2014 11:54am
Yes because the rise of the almighty wof sin tearing down fpk teams 1v4 with her incendiary flames of 1000 dmg per hit causing nothing short of another auschwitz of her time as the wsg'rs run for their lives, burning their pinky toes as they flee!

You two run the ladder, the rules are under your control, and you agree with me, so why keep the ladder stale with the same handful of classes. Wof sins are a real class but they are not the extremely over-powered class like LS sins are. To nerf them because of their cousins is like confusing a Japanese man with a Korean. Either will find it highly insulting.
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Jul 30 2014 12:07pm
Quote (Gilgameshed @ Jul 30 2014 01:54pm)
Yes because the rise of the almighty wof sin tearing down fpk teams 1v4 with her incendiary flames of 1000 dmg per hit causing nothing short of another auschwitz of her time as the wsg'rs run for their lives, burning their pinky toes as they flee!

You two run the ladder, the rules are under your control, and you agree with me, so why keep the ladder stale with the same handful of classes.  Wof sins are a real class but they are not the extremely over-powered class like LS sins are.  To nerf them because of their cousins is like confusing a Japanese man with a Korean.  Either will find it highly insulting.


There are already class/build specific rule sets, what he's asking for isn't unreasonable.
Btw, that's a classic kodaesqe analogy lol
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Jul 30 2014 12:19pm
Quote (Gilgameshed @ Jul 30 2014 12:54pm)
Yes because the rise of the almighty wof sin tearing down fpk teams 1v4 with her incendiary flames of 1000 dmg per hit causing nothing short of another auschwitz of her time as the wsg'rs run for their lives, burning their pinky toes as they flee!

You two run the ladder, the rules are under your control, and you agree with me, so why keep the ladder stale with the same handful of classes.  Wof sins are a real class but they are not the extremely over-powered class like LS sins are.  To nerf them because of their cousins is like confusing a Japanese man with a Korean.  Either will find it highly insulting.


You're missing the entire point of fpk
No one wants a ww sin or wof sin in place of their ls trapper, if someone does use one, it's no longer fpk and teams are retarded uneven (assuming that they were even to begin with)

Anyway quit crying about wsg and everything, it's always existed.

And quit crying about legit fc, people fpk for a reason.

Tldr : quit crying all over the forum
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Jul 30 2014 12:21pm
this is 1v1 world ladder thread gtfo we are discussing 1v1 politics here. reported for spam.

& Thank you Vin, sometimes I feel that a good metaphor clears things up. All too often we find that those who write the rules are distanced from those that the rules effect. It is no different than in politics, where people who speculate decide what is fair for those who participate. If there were more wof sins, not only would they agree, but I am willing to wager that those who have dueled them, especially LS vs WOF would agree too. I even recall making a number of different trapsins with the remainder of 1.09 asnpk during the first weeks of 1.10 and it was obvious to all, regardless of sin type, that 1 piece of absorb was necessary for wof sins to even stand a chance vs their LS cousins.

I will bet all my fg that I can 5-0 any wof sin 1v1 with my trapper with a claw behind my back if they cannot use any absorb or stack vs me. Yes, I will use a single claw and 5-0 you with the current ruleset and am happy to prove it with a 500 fg wager.

Now please, explain to me how that is fair?

This post was edited by Gilgameshed on Jul 30 2014 12:30pm
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Jul 30 2014 12:23pm
Quote (NvD @ Jul 30 2014 02:19pm)
You're missing the entire point of fpk
No one wants a ww sin or wof sin in place of their ls trapper, if someone does use one, it's no longer fpk and teams are retarded uneven (assuming that they were even to begin with)

Anyway quit crying about wsg and everything, it's always existed.

And quit crying about legit fc, people fpk for a reason.

Tldr : quit crying all over the forum

This isn't about fpk good sir
There are other gm chars that aren't allowed in fpk
His request is valid

Quit crying about people "crying"
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Jul 30 2014 12:49pm
Quote (TravisRice420 @ Jul 30 2014 12:26pm)
its still a fair match with dwarf


please stop spamming







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Rules will not change.







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and you agree with me,





Plz stop the spam, if you have a question.. PM a mediator or msg me in game.






Rules are as follows:


any sin that does NOT use ANY type of trap for damage, can NOT use any type of sorb ( other than raven frost )
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The Ladder




Mediators


TravisRice420
Glyphic
straightedgerevenge

Updaters:
TravisRice420
Glyphic
Straightedgerevenge

Pm me or one of the Mediators if you wish to become an updater.



Rules


Ladder Rules


Rankings:


#1. TravisRice420 // *Smashed- // Assn ( Ghost Sin )
Defended: 1x



#2. D2_Sprinkles // *Idgaf // Traps ( Trap Sin )

#3. straightedgerevenge // *Mma // tS-Howtochain ( Vita Nec ) -- Vacation for 1-2 days, challenge around

#4. Lamoux // *HHS // HHS ( Es Light Sorc )

#5. MrMountainDew // *Walmart // Slaves ( MB Ele Druid )

#6. Garciaparra // *Garciaparra4 // Gambit ( Barb vs All )

#7. Device // *Throne // Pali ( Vanquisher )

#8. Blunderwonder2 // *Haiku // DONTPKMEBADDIES ( Es Blizz Sorc )

#9. Vaughnie // *Pvm_elite // Hatemail ( Hammer )

#10. Dicks // *n.n // tS-MephLab ( Trap Sin )

#11. Rbads // *Ronnie // Rm ( Hybrid Sin )



Challenges:


#6. Garciaparra vs #4.Lamoux Jul 27 2014 01:07pm < 24 Hour Ext.

#10. Dicks vs #9. Vaughnie Jul 28 2014 06:46pm

#7. Device vs #5. MrMountainDew Jul 29 2014 07:41pm




Dodge counts:
MrMountainDew - 1


Big notifications so this ladder doesn't becoming so inactive/dead:
1) If a user surpasses 3 dodges, they will be put back to the bottom of the ladder.
2) If you're going to be vacationed more than 14 days at a time, I will put you on the waiting list (You will have to work your way back.)
3) If you would like to help update the ladder, please contact myself or one of the mediators/updaters.
4) If you need an extension, PLEASE post that you need it so it will not be counted as a dodge.
5) Spam WILL not be tolerated here, pm each other if you have that big of a problem or go slam each other in a pub (Idgaf)
6) Challenges in red text are due, get them done ASAP or post for extension to avoid a NULL


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