Quote (LucAA @ Jul 7 2015 01:58pm)
My point here is that I can actually consider Strifer's argument because of the nature of that particular matchup combined with the circumstances due to the ruleser. The ladder currently has no restrictions on PDR and an extremely vague limitation on Medi (which technically isn't a limitation at all). Medi or not, if duels are anything more than a friendly PK nature, anyone competitive is going to drag out the game if they get away at low HP and wait for an opening/HP to reach a comfortable amount to attempt aggressing, otherwise you just kamikaze for no reason other than to satisfy your opponent. Im never going to give anyone a win just because they got me low. With PDR + Medi, he can't close with MB and basically has to rely on a lucky damage roll from LS or me stumbling into 5 stack traps. PDR effectively removes his ability to do ranged damage other than LS, and its quite managable to out regen LS damage alone. For matchups against Sins without PDR (it's harder to stack MDR against WW based Sins) they're more than capable of finishing with MB, as was the case with Roukas, and he lost 5-0 without PDR. This is a clear demonstration of a lack of ability to close out, I told him myself if he had pressured with MB he would've won 2-3 of those duels, but he preferred to stay in his comfort zone of traps and WWing away from stomps. Literally the entire set consisted of G, me stomping into traps while he WWs away and I reset to get rid of swirly from his summon. That's the only time he really did damage to me, so its ok for him to camp traps for 90% of my health pool but not ok for me to idol when its stupid for me to continue stomping? Not logical, he never even attempted to make WW passes on charge, I literally charged out of every MB lock I had, which is not something someone should feel comfortable doing against a WW based Sin). Bottom line, Hybrid vs Hdin is a disadvantage matchup for the Hybrid and he played terribly. Result, not a single win.
In regards to NvH, you out range the Hdin and have a source of stack while he doesn't, there's absolutely no claim for you to complain about having to finish with teeth. You admitting yourself in the thread (albeit via exaggeration) that I stomped you until I was low and then rep'd with Medi. With stack from golem, and massive range/area of teeth you have a CLEAR advantage in the event of me being low and beginning to play defensive. It's just like the situation with Roukas except your build is way more capable of dealing with that situation. Bottom line, Necro vs Hdin is a pretty big advantage matchup for Necro, there's no way a Necro can justify banning Medi when you can't even use skill charges here.
You can argue for the sake of banning Medi (which is really unnecessary considering Hdin is a disadvantage to 3/4 FPK characters without PDR for Sins), you can argue for the sake of limiting PDR (which can make sense, but really only in the case of HvT) making it so you can't use a setup that completely mitigates 20 hard pt MB builds, but IMHO you should never be able to tell someone they can't play defensively when remaining HP warrants it for competitive duels. We set limitations on map area (never past river or Flavie) and overuse of boxes and houses, bur anything other than that is fair game and if you cant pressure a Hdin for the kill on any 20 pt MB Sin (in the case of PDR not completely mitigating the damage), Nec, or Druid, then you deserved the loss. They ALL have superior range and stack.
If you look at the original rule set posted by Marvel, Medi was not banned, in any way other than restricting the synergy to 1 base point and not allowing defensive GCs, which is more than reasonable. The only people who have ever complained about my playstyle: Some 1 shot charger a couple months ago who wanted me to stomp into his up charges on Druid and literally said something about "off screen for X seconds), a few people I played DvT (who didn't understand the matchup, expected Druid to agress at all points of the match, and ultimately lost Tvd..), a Hybrid who did nothing right and decided to criticize my unperms and lack of gold, and a Nec who thinks its logical for the Hdin to stomp him all duel, even if teeth PK, while disallowing the Hdin to Oak/Medi, and refusing to close out the duel when he had a clear HP advantage. If you scroll back a few pages, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I actually dueled another Nec HvN, on this very ladder, right after our duel IIRC, and he won 5-0 and never said anything about my playstyle. Because everytime I failed at stomping below him and attempted to drag it out he aggressed and finished.
Tldr.
You can't claim I didn't agress when I Tele on your screen and u c/ t to other corner and I follow you all over through your medi ham fields
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This post was edited by Kurtchack on Jul 7 2015 12:07pm