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Can i suggest adding that wert must be included on all tier lists
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Quote (wert1449 @ Nov 4 2021 10:31pm)
Can i suggest adding that wert must be included on all tier lists


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Quote (wert1449 @ Nov 4 2021 10:31pm)
Can i suggest adding that wert must be included on all tier lists


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Possible Solutions:
1. Putting a cap on IAS seems to be the best solution. I.e. No more 60-80 ias trap claws.
2. Limiting FB level to Level 1 is reasonable compromise. A trapper should not be able to stomp on a necro + face tank 2 spears to trade 1 wof to permastun someone down with max fireblast.
3. Limiting MB to level 10, MIGHT be a solution. Legen has a chart drawn up that shows how often a shadow uses mb. Maybe we cap 10 hard points into MB instead of 20.... We will have to test more to confirm.

Not Solutions:
1. Banning shadow master (allowing shadow warrior only) is not the solution here. Shadow warrior is basically ONLY good as a meatshield. With its low life pool, it would be worse than golem.....
2. Banning the use of BOS is DEFINETELY not the solution. Lots of sin builds rely on BOS (kick, dclaw vs nec, etc). WW is super clunky right now. It glitches more often than not while faded. Dclaw is also hella slow while faded; especially if hit by golem.
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u all suck.
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Nov 5 2021 11:01am)
Possible Solutions:
1. Putting a cap on IAS seems to be the best solution. I.e. No more 60-80 ias trap claws.
2. Limiting FB level to Level 1 is reasonable compromise. A trapper should not be able to stomp on a necro + face tank 2 spears to trade 1 wof to permastun someone down with max fireblast.
3. Limiting MB to level 10, MIGHT be a solution. Legen has a chart drawn up that shows how often a shadow uses mb. Maybe we cap 10 hard points into MB instead of 20.... We will have to test more to confirm.

Not Solutions:
1. Banning shadow master (allowing shadow warrior only) is not the solution here. Shadow warrior is basically ONLY good as a meatshield. With its low life pool, it would be worse than golem.....
2. Banning the use of BOS is DEFINETELY not the solution. Lots of sin builds rely on BOS (kick, dclaw vs nec, etc). WW is super clunky right now. It glitches more often than not while faded. Dclaw is also hella slow while faded; especially if hit by golem.


You should have no problem killing necros and pretty much any class without the use of kick/dclaw/etc.

BOS is a huge issue because laying 5 traps in 1 second is really fucked up, its not really about dclaw/kick although those are problematic too. Watching you trap vs jess last week and seeing how quickly you can creep forward+lay 5 traps with burst of speed - it is nearly impossible now to punish a good sin who plays defensively.
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Nov 5 2021 03:01pm)
Possible Solutions:
1. Putting a cap on IAS seems to be the best solution. I.e. No more 60-80 ias trap claws.
2. Limiting FB level to Level 1 is reasonable compromise. A trapper should not be able to stomp on a necro + face tank 2 spears to trade 1 wof to permastun someone down with max fireblast.
3. Limiting MB to level 10, MIGHT be a solution. Legen has a chart drawn up that shows how often a shadow uses mb. Maybe we cap 10 hard points into MB instead of 20.... We will have to test more to confirm.

Not Solutions:
1. Banning shadow master (allowing shadow warrior only) is not the solution here. Shadow warrior is basically ONLY good as a meatshield. With its low life pool, it would be worse than golem.....
2. Banning the use of BOS is DEFINETELY not the solution. Lots of sin builds rely on BOS (kick, dclaw vs nec, etc). WW is super clunky right now. It glitches more often than not while faded. Dclaw is also hella slow while faded; especially if hit by golem.


Even lvl 1 fb is strong vs necros
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Nov 5 2021 09:18am
Quote (Piwah @ Nov 5 2021 11:12am)
Even lvl 1 fb is strong vs necros


Should be fine with ias cap

Quote (Azn Masta @ Nov 5 2021 11:01am)
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3. Limiting MB to level 1,


fixed :santa:

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Quote (Eleet @ Nov 5 2021 11:18am)
Should be fine with ias cap



fixed :santa:


Ya, then the rest of the points go into Fade for max DR and Claw block (61% Block). Druids and Barbs are still going to be on suicide watch.

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Nov 5 2021 09:25am
Leap also needs to be addressed. Ithink it's worse than mb
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