Were you using spirit of barbs in some matchups vs melee?
my understanding is that the patch basically completely neutered the skill and made it worthless now. Level 30 barbs is 707 damage reflected. Not %, but 707 flat damage. Used to be 630%, with a ~1/8 pvp penalty. It may still even have that 1/8 pvp penalty depending how they implemented it, not that you'd ever notice because the value is so low. With 630% reflect, if a 50% dr / 7% leech barb in hell hit your grizzly with 8000 physical damage, he'd take 536 hp in damage and heal 187 hp from leech. Net 349 taken. Now he'd uh, take either 60 damage or 7.5 damage depending on how it was implemented, then gain 187 life. Net 127-181 life stolen.



I don't even put 1 point in it now. I haven't rebuilt a shaman on D2r, I respecced my old shaman into a pure raven/summoning druid and I didn't even put 1 point barbs on it, just an edge bow in stash. Which is 810% reflected, same pvp penalty as barbs used to have
course, if a barb is smart and has a dracs/string setup or something more demented like % lifesteal on rings/circlet, there's no way you're winning that duel anyway. Then at least a shaman could just play pure defensive mass facet fissures with only oak out, a pure summoning druid can go afk in town

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 17 2022 05:34pm

What

every drop in the bucket counts but the primary reason is that it's very fun to watch barbarians or smiters at 1 hp kill themselves by attacking.

This post was edited by Polytheist on Jun 17 2022 06:11pm

Yeah I just gotta stress if it works the way I think it does, its truly awful, it would never overcome the basic leech on grief ww, wouldn't even scratch single target stuff like smite. 707 damage before pvp penalties, and possibly still with a 1/8 additional penalty, could mean its as little as 7 hp lost per hit landed on your summons.
at least 1 point poison creeper has gotten me some kills against es sorcs a few times

i haven't had any issues with opponents using lifesteal, even when they say they've put it on. using bear only without oak gives them less life to leech from, generally the grizzly will die so quickly with or without oak that i might as well reduce how much an opponent can even leech from it by losing oak. the worst it really even gets is if somebody uses lifetap, at which point i just recast pets so that the curse leaves my summons or the duel goes a little longer if they heal to full; fire is so strong now that it's pretty easy to re-apply the damage that was healed. you are incorrect in thinking a duel can't be won against someone with excessive life leech or lifetap.

when a melee/smite is at the last 5% of their hp, i've noticed that it certainly makes people more hesitant to attack. i don't use 1 pt creeper, but i have in the past and it works pretty well against es. i recently added a widowmaker with some 313 psn scs and cube bo now, also. that has been very fun to use in the same form as creeper, but i added 35% open wounds to the build when i wear it so it's more potent.

weird, they moved my thread to a different sub forum

This post was edited by Polytheist on Jun 17 2022 06:12pm

Wait, 500 views for real?? How are you going to spend all the ad money

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