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Oct 17 2021 08:53pm
So as a lot of you know, I've collected a lot of vlld items for the last few years and in d2r I intended to do the same.

I noticed something tho. Sigons seemed to be extremely overpowered and I didn't understand why.

I realized after a bit of dueling that "Attacker takes damage" modifier no long procs upon striking but upon any melee swing/attack.

So I made a lvl 9 Necro with a bunch of ATD (Bone armor and Amp = OP) and i got the always friendly and helpful to take a vid to show how broken this is

I have 56 ATD:

Sigons armor - 20
Sigons set - 12
Nagelringx2 - 6
Flawed skull in Sigons shield - 8
Stoutnail - 10atd

=9.33 pvp Damage x2(amp) = 18.66 pvp dmg per swing from the opponent.

Now I got werewolf12345 to take off his weapon and demonstrate how broken this is. Keep in mind he's a level 30 with nearly 1k life and it just melts him



From what I can tell, Sigons is the new meta of all vlld which really sucks lol... Jabbers without sigons will be melted by sigons and same with kickers

Ranged vlld is aids so RIP vlld.
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Oct 17 2021 09:01pm
Quote (starcreaft453 @ 17 Oct 2021 22:53)
So as a lot of you know, I've collected a lot of vlld items for the last few years and in d2r I intended to do the same.

I noticed something tho. Sigons seemed to be extremely overpowered and I didn't understand why.

I realized after a bit of dueling that "Attacker takes damage" modifier no long procs upon striking but upon any melee swing/attack.

So I made a lvl 9 Necro with a bunch of ATD (Bone armor and Amp = OP) and i got the always friendly and helpful ^WereWolf12345 to take a vid to show how broken this is

I have 56 ATD:

Sigons armor - 20
Sigons set - 12
Nagelringx2 - 6
Flawed skull in Sigons shield - 8
Stoutnail - 10atd

=9.33 pvp Damage x2(amp) = 18.66 pvp dmg per swing from the opponent.

Now I got werewolf12345 to take off his weapon and demonstrate how broken this is. Keep in mind he's a level 30 with nearly 1k life and it just melts him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nsVEPkjfU

From what I can tell, Sigons is the new meta of all vlld which really sucks lol... Jabbers without sigons will be melted by sigons and same with kickers

Ranged vlld is aids so RIP vlld.


I thought it was always like this, re: the Flamebellow bug.

Basically ATD not suffering from pvp penalty.

jesus maybe I am reading thread wrong. tipsy as I am.

This post was edited by Belarathon on Oct 17 2021 09:03pm
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Oct 17 2021 09:05pm
it goes through dr, dr%, and pvp penalty. but now applies to all weapon swings, not just the ones that land.
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Oct 17 2021 09:06pm
thanks for the update -- interesting/sad that thats the new meta

maybe we'll have to have GM rules (no sigons)
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Oct 17 2021 09:07pm
Quote (WereWolf12345 @ 17 Oct 2021 23:05)
it goes through dr, dr%, and pvp penalty. but now applies to all weapon swings, not just the ones that land.


God damn, I literally thought that's the way it has been since the og game came out. I thought it was always on weapon swing not land? Learn something new everyday - I no longer trust my own brain.
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Quote (Belarathon @ Oct 17 2021 11:07pm)
God damn, I literally thought that's the way it has been since the og game came out. I thought it was always on weapon swing not land? Learn something new everyday - I no longer trust my own brain.




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Oct 17 2021 09:17pm
feanur is god, his word is law (not sarcastic)

e/ geez could have just checked a diablo page eh? I guess I just rely way too much on my own fallible memory
https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Attacker_Takes_Damage

another edit: props to ben for noticing and posting this for vlld in d2r :) Good job buddy love it!

This post was edited by Belarathon on Oct 17 2021 09:24pm
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Oct 18 2021 05:27am
I'm gona have to get high ar and damage and land all my hits before thorns gets me ; P
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Oct 18 2021 06:03am
someone got a level 30 nec to try this with edge equipped? lol
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someone got a level 30 nec to try this with edge equipped? lol



Thorns still doesn’t return enough dmg. Amn runes in everything would be the play but pretty much not worth it at a high level. Might work if recast bone armor vs melees only lol

This post was edited by starcreaft453 on Oct 18 2021 06:38am
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