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#1
Apr 12 2021 09:18am
Hello I find that in eu laader

What do you think about? Should I upg it?
It's usefull in MLD duel?
What is the value of it in MLD?
http://imgur.com/a/7mjNSic

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Apr 12 2021 09:57am
1. no its not useful at LLD, incorrect base.
2. upgrade it to matri javs
3. put it on an amazon and throw a couple of javelins. record if the repl occurs every 10, 20 or 30 seconds
4. Make a Bold Red Topic in the Realm you are on in general trading: called: 4xx Eth Repl Matri's [insert 1/10, 1/20 or 1/30 rep time as applicable]

In the topic:

1. Picture of the item
2. Post the repl time
3. sit back and bump it for a week or until you get a good offer. (a good offer is over 5000fg if its 1/10 btw, they pay less for 1/20 or 1/30).

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This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2021 09:58am
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Apr 12 2021 11:13am
Even if they were matris, stygians are better in mld because of the higher dex scaling from glass cannon builds.
Matris are better for jabbing and for balanced stat builds instead of heavy dex.
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Apr 12 2021 11:25am
ehmm actually i found stygians best vs barbs & chargers and matri's best vs the rest. the damage scaling of the 2 bases was not as profound as its made out to be. i had the #1 matri's (raven scourge) and the #1 stygians (plague pale) at the height of the MLD boom. sold each for 70K and i downgraded to x4 430% matri's 2.5k each XD. (i have 4 mld amazons now ofc ofc, along with 9000 lld/mld chars). On a lookback, for MLD, Matri's are preferred for their consistency, whereas Stygians are preferred for 1-2 hitting ppl (chargers).

Storytime!

2007 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2007 gep : no
2008 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2008 gep : no
2009 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2009 gep : lost everything in ban wave
2009 ferdia : :(
2010 ferdia : please try to reactivate your banned a/c's
2010 gep : why
2010 ferdia : because the ban wave was a 1 year temp ban, not a perm ban
2010 gep : what?
2010 gep : OMG
2010 gep proceeds to sell stygians to someone else
2010 mevonis : hi my friend
2010 ferdia : T4T 417% ed 17 max 40 ias Stygians
2010 ferdia (i want your babies mevonis)

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Apr 12 2021 12:27pm
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2021 07:25pm)
ehmm actually i found stygians best vs barbs & chargers and matri's best vs the rest. the damage scaling of the 2 bases was not as profound as its made out to be. i had the #1 matri's (raven scourge) and the #1 stygians (plague pale) at the height of the MLD boom. sold each for 70K and i downgraded to x4 430% matri's 2.5k each XD. (i have 4 mld amazons now ofc ofc, along with 9000 lld/mld chars). On a lookback, for MLD, Matri's are preferred for their consistency, whereas Stygians are preferred for 1-2 hitting ppl (chargers).

Storytime!

2007 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2007 gep : no
2008 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2008 gep : no
2009 ferdia : gep please sell me your stygians.
2009 gep : lost everything in ban wave
2009 ferdia : :(
2010 ferdia : please try to reactivate your banned a/c's
2010 gep : why
2010 ferdia : because the ban wave was a 1 year temp ban, not a perm ban
2010 gep : what?
2010 gep : OMG
2010 gep proceeds to sell stygians to someone else
2010 mevonis : hi my friend
2010 ferdia : T4T 417% ed 17 max 40 ias Stygians
2010 ferdia (i want your babies mevonis)


Math nerd here.

Stygians are better, especially if they have base ias. You will hit the same throw frame with stygians as you would with matris, but not lose all of that juicy stat scaling.
Matris have a slight edge in terms of jab ias (but you rarely jab in mld anyways), and also for the + skills they might have to increase passives.

In reality though, when stygians are not relevant in a matchup, Titans usually are best in slot because they do a better job at supporting your bow side with the utility value that they add.

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Apr 12 2021 12:29pm
i posted a gigantic thread years ago showing the difference of vita vs dex ama with matri vs stygians. each have their appeal but what we are talking about here re: dex scaling, really did not feature heavily.
if u have rare javs titans should always be replaced. doing insane jav damage offsets the frw boost. this is even more prevalent @ mld where titans cant be upped.

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Apr 12 2021 12:38pm
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i posted a gigantic thread years ago showing the difference of vita vs dex ama with matri vs stygians. each have their appeal but what we are talking about here re: dex scaling, really did not feature heavily.
if u have rare javs titans should always be replaced. doing insane jav damage offsets the frw boost. this is even more prevalent @ mld where titans cant be upped.


Titans always come in vs a fb sorc. The frw is much more useful than extra fury damage when you will never be in fury range. The titans also give you + passives.
And in terms of stash optimization, i wouldnt dedicate extra space to a pair of matris when i already have a pair of stygians.
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#8
Apr 12 2021 12:43pm
MLD jaba guide:

step 1: buy eth titz
step 2: dont buy any more jabas
step 3: build 5 other chars for the cost of 4xx ed matri jabas
step 4: ferdi mad
step 5: beat ferdi in duel cuz mad

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Apr 12 2021 01:51pm
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2021 08:29pm)
i posted a gigantic thread years ago showing the difference of vita vs dex ama with matri vs stygians. each have their appeal but what we are talking about here re: dex scaling, really did not feature heavily.
if u have rare javs titans should always be replaced. doing insane jav damage offsets the frw boost. this is even more prevalent @ mld where titans cant be upped.


Here are a bunch of scenarios comparing 429 ed Matris to Stygians. The more dex you have, the greater the difference between the two
This assumed a 60 ed helm and not some bonkers rare with base ed



This post was edited by lld_mayhem on Apr 12 2021 01:53pm
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#10
Apr 12 2021 01:55pm
those differences are again, not massive.

damage (matri) javs will mana burn kill esfb'ers btw. thats why u always use them vs esfb instead of tits. you dont want to use stygians in this match as you might get min hits (=dead). i.e. rare javs means the sorc has to be really careful if he decides to stomp. which if it were tits, would not be the case.

stygians on other hand can 1 hit kill a bowa @ mld.

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