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Nov 12 2018 11:29pm
Do you find FHR is important on ESFB lvl 30?

I have only made vita fber for the last decade haha... Making ESFB for the first time in so long, and I can't decide if I should bother with fhr...

I'm basically trying to decide between:

86% fhr bp + 15 mana
vs
60% fhr bp + 5 rep + 19% mana regen + 30 life

The rep/regen/life is so tempting but I'm thinking that the FHR could come into play a lot in tvt especially with wsg not working as it used to
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Nov 12 2018 11:30pm
I thought this was a pm lol

2nd time I've done this :rofl:

Anyone got answers for me?
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Nov 12 2018 11:31pm
Wsg> d2

It works fine, even w/ fhr you’ll still get fhr locked by basically everything except melee.
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Nov 12 2018 11:49pm
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hmm, im not sure tbh in most matchups 60 fhr should be fine.
ive mostly played with spirit so 86 is easy enough to reach.
maybe vs trap teams and other fbs and such 86 makes a little difference.
I have not played much in a half year
did they fix the rubber banding?

u could always have 2 vipers or so 1 with skull and 1 with shael or some 5/12s if you prefer the repl/reg over some life.
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Nov 12 2018 11:51pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ 13 Nov 2018 01:31)
Wsg> d2

It works fine, even w/ fhr you’ll still get fhr locked by basically everything except melee.


So you think don't bother with the fhr? o.o

These are my options:

755 life/1538 mana/18 rep with shael or eth visc 86 fhr

783 life/1560 mana/18 rep with jewel visc 86 fhr

785 life/1523 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with shael or eth visc 60% fhr

813 life/1545 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with jewel visc 60% fhr
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Nov 12 2018 11:52pm
Quote (Twinsen @ 13 Nov 2018 01:49)
hej

hmm, im not sure tbh in most matchups 60 fhr should be fine.
ive mostly played with spirit so 86 is easy enough to reach.
maybe vs trap teams and other fbs and such 86 makes a little difference.
I have not played much in a half year
did they fix the rubber banding?

u could always have 2 vipers or so 1 with skull and 1 with shael or some 5/12s if you prefer the repl/reg over some life.


Yeah I was thinking of just leaving the options open, I just hate having too many gear swaps haha :cry:

I think the rubber banding is mostly fixed, I seem to still lag a lot more than ever and some people still complain about the rubber banding so idk

This post was edited by Belarathon on Nov 12 2018 11:54pm
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Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 13 2018 12:51am)
So you think don't bother with the fhr? o.o

These are my options:

755 life/1538 mana/18 rep with shael or eth visc 86 fhr

783 life/1560 mana/18 rep with jewel visc 86 fhr

785 life/1523 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with shael or eth visc 60% fhr

813 life/1545 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with jewel visc 60% fhr



Why do euro esfbs have like 2.2k mana
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Nov 13 2018 12:14am
Quote (Dongdale @ 13 Nov 2018 02:11)
Why do euro esfbs have like 2.2k mana


idk lol that's with energy maxed, 90 mana on ammy, perf invent, perf spirit... only 17 energy on circ which sucks but it's still +34 to mana (not helped by sojs) ... Even if I had a way better circ I wouldn't pass 2k haha I'd have to use GCs and/or psaph sockets

e/ or they use fcr belt with frosties probably. I'm using SoE

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So you think don't bother with the fhr? o.o

These are my options:

755 life/1538 mana/18 rep with shael or eth visc 86 fhr

783 life/1560 mana/18 rep with jewel visc 86 fhr

785 life/1523 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with shael or eth visc 60% fhr

813 life/1545 mana/23 rep/ +19% mana regen with jewel visc 60% fhr



For the most part, no... it’s only really useful vs barb/zon/zeal... you’re still gonna get fhr’d by fb/trap/hammer etc so you’ll need to wsg out regardless... I haven’t had any issues w/ wsg since, the issue is the fhr animation... anyways, no matter what you gotta wsg.

Quote (Dongdale @ Nov 12 2018 11:11pm)
Why do euro esfbs have like 2.2k mana



They use psaphires I assume...
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Quote (Avenged123 @ 13 Nov 2018 02:49)
For the most part, no... it’s only really useful vs barb/zon/zeal... you’re still gonna get fhr’d by fb/trap/hammer etc so you’ll need to wsg out regardless... I haven’t had any issues w/ wsg since, the issue is the fhr animation... anyways, no matter what you gotta wsg.




They use psaphires I assume...


I find fhr useful when a barb wws through you and lands just 1 crit - with proper fhr/fbr i can tele away just taking the 1 hit, if fhr/fbr is lacking then he can trap me in tight wws. Barb also has a lot higher frw than sorc so he can just catch me easily while I try to wsg away if his reflexes are good. I prefer to tele away over wsg away whenever possible. Hammer doesnt fhr an es sorc the first hit or two so she should be able to escape that one either way.

I figured the fhr may come in handy vs barb, nado, other sorc, and really vs anything at all once my mana is low enough. I think the only m/u where I am FORCED to spam wsg is when locked by mb pretty much

I haven't built chars in so long I'm asking all the questions I pondered over like 15 years ago haha
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