BRIEF! 30 Rule Discussion, EU

For starters, contrary to popular belief, i have never changed a single 30 rule. i made a point of focusing exclusively @ MLD. This topic is being created on the back of (a) "Recent" changes made (b) Requests via pm and threads and (c) allowing more items to be used while not skewing the matchup's further (hey we all know that there are alot of matchups that are simply imbalanced).

While the 30 tour (and 18!) was running, I, along with most users, had no wish to enter a rule discussion. I have however been approached by several users however and I would propose the following changes to the 30 rules (immediately):

1. Sorc's may have 10% Repl Life. This is up from 5% in the tournament. This rule change was done in the last 2 years and had little or no impact other then to piss off those players that had to put on their old shoes. This allows all sorc's to wear their special amulet (2 fire 10fcr 52 life 10 repl 90 mana 8 light res // 2 Cold 10 fcr 39 life 10 repl 76 15 all res
2. Allow all characters, except Bowa's, to have CTC Amp < personally I would like it if errrm amp is allowed vs sorc's but I am happy to live without it - discuss >. This would open the door for zeal / fury etc. guys can we discuss this.
3. Allow prayer on paladins < we are all grown ups, there are rules already in place re: no def whoring

any other rule i missed ? provided no one strongly opposed to this will make these changes and immediately commence the next tournament ? looking for input FROM EU PLAYERS OK< NN U EAST/WEST/ASIA PLAYERS TO COMMENT HERE YES ITS A BIBLE NO ITS NOT MINE GO BACK TO DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF LLD BARB AMULETS WITH 30 LIFE.

Sep, Chum, Twin, Frank, Sa_Se et all, can you please give input on the above and any other business ?

Once we close this off will talk to Austin re: starting a new tour(s).

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2016 11:56am

strongly agree. 10 rep should be fine - no matter if es or vita build
would also be fine with a higher limit for vita builds


absolutely fine if that leads to more diversity in terms of build choices
should remain banned for chargers as well imo - not sure if there is such a weapon out there, but someone might come up with that


can't give any useful input here, sorry


allow tele charges for barbs

Brief + eu + rule = impossibruhhhhh

On topic:



-never saw an issue with 10 rep cap for es sorcs that do not use insight. 5 rep limits gear more than it affects the duel itself. Most common es build will be fwall anyways which isn't going to rep whore unless severely pressured. Light sorc could be allowed 25 rep and still lose most matches lol. Es blizz seems to be the biggest issue, just stay active with your dueling and you shouldnt run into probs on 10 rep, we certainly dont and dont have many es blizzers that i know of anyways

i wil lsay 10 rep cap for non es sorc seems a bit low. especially when a good fireball sorc rarely leaves your screen.



never understood the need to ban this at all. Do you guys have amp wands available @ eu? massively duped items with amp? if not an amp harpoon or amp bow will be rare and tough to compete with robo anyways. I would think a more pragmatic solution would be to allow zons to use KB OR Amp but not both. Otherwise you'll be luck to get of an amp anyways. kb gloves and javs are rare-ish and a nef in a rare amp bow is a massive waste of dmg but annoying to duel against in some frw based matchups.



+1 prayer / 10 rep
+0 prayer / 25 rep

Never had an issue with this on east. tbh i always felt it should be at 12 rep to allow for pcrown but its w/e, but a 10 rep p crown lol. i feel like this is a tougher rule for FOH or any hybrids, as hdin is already a class that blurs the lines between gm and bm technique.






Edit: as sep said, make tele charge staffs legal for all classes.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 8 2016 12:18pm

Allow wsg vs trappers and yea, LE TELE CHARGES! Lol

This post was edited by SackShadow on Mar 8 2016 12:12pm

Agree


I agree here too, although I wouldn't be too worried about chargers. They can 1-2hit a lot of builds as it is. Given amp is a 5% chance to hit, I think the charger is likely to kill or be killed regardless. Also they would have to lose the benefits from honor/insight.


I don't feel too strongly either way about this. I play a libby and it doesn't bother me wearing tearhaunch, however on the other hand as long as replenish life was still within reason it wouldn't bother me either if the pala didn't def whore. What is the approx. equivalent life rep that 1 point in prayer gives?


Allowing tele and lowering fire res cap would speed up those fb/fw vs barb duels. That 30 tour final that ended 1-0 (Alex vs Dan I think it was) is not something that appeals to anyone. Worth a mention.


On a personal level, ban Twinsen, ban Lee from using hammers and ban all assassins One can dream ^^

Ban frank tbh

Just burn the rule book honestly.

Brief!

1. yes 10 is fine.

2. I wouldn't mind if you allow all chars to have ctc amp, bowas are not as strong as at 49 / 18 overall. At least 1v1 vs teleporting chars and in tvt.
At 49 it would obviously be op with 7 fpa its ridiculous ( I use a 7fpa amp matri on 39 bowa and it can compete with most 49 builds )
Yea what frank said about chargers it wouldnt trigger very often and they 1 or 2 hit most chars anyway.

3. yes allow prayer skilled, it opens up more builds. Any ammount of repl can be abused



haha yes me vs alex, that round took a good while to complete.. I jumped alex a few times and got hit by some crit ww ( hurts when ur on non es setup ) and alex dodge fbs very well from mid distance plus 2xxx life + 85 fr each fb takes like 60 hp and with 20 repl that doesnt take too long to repl from a fb so obv it took a while to kill him.. we both agreed on making it a ft1. That's more a pacience duel than anything.

This post was edited by Twinsen on Mar 8 2016 12:53pm

why is skilling prayer on din okay but only 10 repl on a sorc? seems like a really low cap (even if it is up from 5...seriously though 5 life repl allowed?)