vis isnt useless though, the reason defiance build zealers have a better chance than most cc builds vs barb is because not only do they have higher defense, but they have enough atk rating to hit the barb ontop of that.


if you honestly want to discuss this lets make a poll in the strategy and guides section and see what the majority of people say. i guarantee you that almost everyone will agree, adding 700 to ur attack rating when u normally only have 3.3k ar, vs a barb with 4k defense will help a fucking lot. actually we can make polls here, probably get the right people voting since this is the lld sub, want me to? i promise you viso is useful man, i have no reason to lie ive been 18ing for 15 yrs.

thats 4k ar vs 4k defense instead of 3.3k ar vs 4k defense, there is a huge difference here dude.. idk how you dont understand that... you are talking like someone who purely played 18s back in 2006 before people figured out how good 2os visos were.. u r the only person in this thread so far who has tried to say vis isnt good at 18... its 18% of your total ar, so an ar based zealer, with 121 ar on shield PLUS 240 from jewels, is gonna gain insane amounts of attack rating, probly more than 700, from a vis helm..

if adding 700 attack rating wasnt useful then why do m ost defiance dins use 15 max 60 ar jewels instead of 15 max defense jewels? cause according to you they only use those helms because they are eth rep so its for defense and defense only so why not put 2 15 max defense jewels in them instead since defense is what you are really after? its because atk rating is key vs barb and any other melee...

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Jul 23 2021 09:32pm

For sure 30 base ar makes no difference, not even 1% cth. You can check chance to hit by googling “ppr attack rating calculator”.

I’ll be on in half an hour or do if you wanna do some of these

Vis is like 250-300 more ar than non vis… you lose a max slot… I’d probably choose a frost nova helm tbh… only if it makes helm blue.

it doesnt add 1% cth but when paired with 120 ar from jewels and 18% ar from helms other mod, it can make a difference. gotta remember it adds the % ar after it takes into account all of your other total ar so that 30 is more than 30

calculators cant answer that kind of question, sometimes all you need is that 30 more vs a barb with 4k defense to get over the hump.

we are 3v3ing atm and if u come and stud unafks we have 4v4. so id rather do the tests when tvt is dead but yeah im down.



yeah thats bullshit, i was just on the character, the viso mod depends on what your total ar without it is, for cotas zealer it adds 844 ar.

But you’re not replacing helm w/ 3soc 45/180, you’re just removing the helm… the difference between the 2 is 200-300ar.

its 180 ar vs 150 ar and 18%, i did the math dude im not replacing helm with anything, i am calculating only what the % ar adds. it adds 844 with cotas total ar without it, a 180 ar helm would add 30 more ar than his current but 18% less, its a no brainer...

that 30 more ar literally adds nothing compared to 18%...

30 ar on din is like 127 ar on screen, vs 844 ar added from 18%.. its not even close.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Jul 23 2021 11:23pm

18% ar doesn’t add much K-Dawg! The difference between cotas helm and a 3soc would be about 250-300 ar range, give or take.

30 ar on din is like 127 ar on screen, vs 844 ar added from 18%.. its not even close.

ur ignoring that its 180 ar on a 3os vs tylers 150 ar NOT COUNTING 18%.

its 30 more ar with a 3os. thats 127 ar on screen. the `18% on screen is 844. gtfo man seriously.. learn math i thought you were a yugioh player.

There’s a reason why vis doesn’t matter in lld dawgy dawg, it’s a 250-300 ar difference. Does that make you want to use vis more or less? Idk 300 more ar vs 15 more dmg, idk seems negligible…

Calcs absolutely answer that question. It’s just level difference and ar vs defense. That’s legit what the calc does haha
Onw Btw

This post was edited by Belarathon on Jul 23 2021 11:38pm