Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Oct 12 2020 05:54pm)

is just you hating on hdins and favoring zons, which this sub forum sadly has a very long history of doing.

Quote (yeawhatup @ Oct 12 2020 05:57pm)

15 fpa 2 handed blockable attack is str8 trash in 1v1

Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ 12 Oct 2020 17:00)

Isn’t zon always 2 handed and you just hit w to your normal high damage javs or is that not how w works if your fpa is slower?

Quote (Belarathon @ Oct 12 2020 06:02pm)

Come duel it sometime, you will notice that it's not gg in 1vs1s pretty quick. It's really just for tvts with auras for the hilarious damage. I am on now and can play for a couple hours if you want to try and get some tvt going or test out the xbow zon a bit

Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Oct 12 2020 05:54pm)

i dont do the weed thing man, but my shots fired were for trev and were not meant in an aggressive way, meant it in a joking way, because trev hates hdin lol.

anyways those handicaps are pretty similar, when you say "goodgear options" you are talking about losing 125 fcr for 75 and making a libi. im talking about not even letting someone use a 20 fcr circ at same time as 35 fcr spirit, like put the limit at 35 fcr only. or even just 30. yeah you can have charge dmg to make up for your lack of fcr, but thats the same thing exactly as having 500+ more ga dmg but shooting at a slower frame.

its not like by using less fcr i can get higher hammer dmg, 125 fcr with the scepter is very easy to have, so ur dmg cap is the same at 125 fcr as it is at 30 fcr.

literally your only plausible thing you could say is that maybe it would have to be more like 25 fcr limit on hdin to be truly the same, since 14 fpa is slow as hell lol. with 25 being the limit youd hit the extremely slow 18 fcr bp.

the paladin having the ability to do charge dmg once u lose some fcr, is like losing framespeed to do the 500-600 more ga dmg that ur ballista does. also when you talk about having to have 95 str on bowa, you need 103 on pally to have any kind of good hammer wep for decent charge dmg, divine scepter. so again, its literally the same thing.

for the 3rd time i never even dueled the zon to get mad at it, other than in tvt with it on my own team, im just being honest with you man, you acting like its not the same as no fcr hdin is just you hating on hdins and favoring zons, which this sub forum sadly has a very long history of doing.

Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Oct 12 2020 06:03pm)

I’ll have to look at my mouse it’s been acting up ever since I spilled a drink on it like when I click the click sticks and it doesn’t let go lol

Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Oct 12 2020 06:57pm)

Highlighted my favorite part

Quote (Belarathon @ Oct 12 2020 06:56pm)

haha the only problem with it is speed really. 15 fpa / 99 frw is a far cry from the usual 9 fpa/120+ frw you see. Also without soe it's pretty fragile. But yeah something cool about it is that once you see the LL swirl, there is no question that someone is critically injured haha.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 07:05pm)

Its a d2 wide thing. Hdins are borderline bm due to dmg type and being unblocked. Ga is blockable and there is dr

Quote (MADIrishGunner @ 12 Oct 2020 17:06)

i mean its true as fuck isnt it? what out of what i said does not make perfect sense? he needs 95 str on ballista we need 103 str to have divine honor. we lose fcr but gain charge dmg, he loses attack speed but gains bow dmg.

i mean lets observe the hdin haters in their natural habitat of low level dueling:



in this slide here you see the native bela, exclaiming at how the zon is actually fucking amazing and literally its only weak point is its low framespeed, when just 6 posts ago there was a wild snipa hating on hdin by trying to act like no one should ever lose to the xbow zon and that a hdin with almost no fcr isn't an equivilant handicap to the xbow zon, which has only 1 weakness which is its speed..

i mean ffs, that zon has 100 more life than mine does and my zons gear is amazing.. so clearly the 95 str rq doesnt hinder as much as he was trying to claim. they are the same and the hdin haters can say w/e they want, but if they want the xbow zon legal in the upcoming btier tourney, then they can agree to very low fcr hdin also being legal since its the same thing lol.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 06:05pm)

Its a d2 wide thing. Hdins are borderline bm due to dmg type and being unblocked. Ga is blockable and there is dr