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#81
May 20 2010 11:30am
Quote (mikeyjd @ May 21 2010 06:29am)
15life/7mana and 20life/33mana gc are both better imo.
resistances cost to much mana as it is.
def sorcs could use a boost no?


of course.
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#82
May 20 2010 11:32am
Quote (snasu @ May 20 2010 12:20pm)
Mostly worried about trickle over.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the damage for what was stated (383-454) actually 18, not 19?
That's 7 points into fball, 18 fbolt, and the 6 from gear.


Well. If its commonly agreed that bone necros/fissure druids/zealots/chargers/bowas/throw barbs should be restricted to 18 amongst the known duelers then there shouldnt be much of a spill over. The only thing that will change is the specific class being tested

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#83
May 20 2010 11:33am
Quote (lld_mayhem @ May 20 2010 05:32pm)
Well. If its commonly agreed that bone necros/fissure druids/zealots/chargers/bowas/throw barbs should be restricted to 18 amongst the known duelers then there shouldnt be much of a spill over. The only thing that will change is the specific class being tested


Also sins (kicker, bf, wof or ts)
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#84
May 20 2010 11:35am
Quote (SirEdwards @ May 20 2010 12:33pm)
Also sins (kicker, bf, wof or ts)


I agree i was just saying that if its agreed that the majority of the status quo builds shouldnt be altered by the duelers in the community then there will be no spill over because we are the ones that decided not to change those classes
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#85
May 20 2010 02:13pm
Great, now im not only one of the very few 29lvl dueler, im also gonna be one of the very few 18lvl dueler :D
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#86
May 20 2010 02:14pm
I think this needs to be taken more seriously.
I mean, 18 casters are sparse at best, and everyone tries to promote them.
Maybe this is what they need to become more viable.
I'm really greatful you made this thread :)
Holy shit I'm still wasted.
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#87
May 20 2010 02:22pm
Quote (heprea @ May 20 2010 08:13pm)
Great, now im not only one of the very few 29lvl dueler, im also gonna be one of the very few  18lvl dueler :D


Lmk if u make a cs, shaper or sorc that can beat or at least give some nice matchup to bowas, palas, necs, fissures, dt barb, sins (decent ones with max res ofc). Look this at the same way as vlld: 9 melee 12 casters to balance and 9's still>. We wanna make the same with lvl 18 to give more diversity of competitive builds aka more fun.
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May 20 2010 02:38pm
Quote (SirEdwards @ May 20 2010 08:22pm)
Lmk if u make a cs,  shaper or sorc that can beat or at least give some nice matchup to bowas, palas, necs, fissures, dt barb, sins (decent ones with max res ofc). Look this at the same way as vlld: 9 melee 12 casters to balance and 9's still>. We wanna make the same with lvl 18 to give more diversity of competitive builds aka more fun.


isnt this why we have different categories in tournaments?

like range vs range
melee vs melee
casters vs casters?

never really tried any tournies so not sure about what are all of the categories.

what about defiance smiters? should they now be allowed to be 21 just so that they would do better against ranged bowzons and sorcs? and just forget the other chars.

also, if you are gonna make thouse 19-21lvl chars, are they only gonna be able to duel against thouse "hard to kill" classes only? what about the other "not so hard to kill" chars? they are forced to duel thouse 19-21lvl chars too

im kinda tired, so i might not make too much sense :|
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May 20 2010 02:42pm
Quote (heprea @ May 20 2010 03:38pm)
isnt this why we have different categories in tournaments?

like range vs range
melee vs melee
casters vs casters?

never really tried any tournies so not sure about what are all of the categories.

what about defiance smiters? should they now be allowed to be 21 just so that they would do better against ranged bowzons and sorcs? and just forget the other chars.

also, if you are gonna make thouse 19-21lvl chars, are they only gonna be able to duel against thouse "hard to kill" classes only? what about the other "not so hard to kill" chars? they are forced to duel thouse 19-21lvl chars too

im kinda tired, so i might not make too much sense :|


Quote (lld_mayhem @ May 20 2010 10:50am)
I can do some testing on open b net with david if we both get some time to try to determine what seems appropriate 19,20,21.

The point ofc is to set a lvl cap that will make the build more balanced and not op and to take into consideration class advantages. At 23 for example it still might not beat a charger but at 19 or 20 it might be too imba vs most other chars so that needs to be factored in as well


Charge is considered range so it competes with casters. A sorc is arguably the weakest caster
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May 20 2010 02:43pm
Quote (lld_mayhem @ May 21 2010 09:42am)
Charge is considered range so it competes with casters. A sorc is arguably the weakest caster


which is why I think 21 should be allowed (assuming testing doesn't find some massive new OP setup).
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