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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 10:04am)
zwei would need 24wias to reach 4fpa, and bletter an extra 20, yes.
however if you have honor zwei, youd have 6fpa no matter what :(

however another huge important factor for ww is weapon range. gladius has rangeadder=0 (1range total), whereas naga is at 2 (3range total).

theres a huge difference between those in dmg output.

https://i.imgur.com/C5gBuT9.png


yes 3 range 6 fpa zweihander, 1 range 4 fpa blood letter

should work well until solid robo jewels and/or WW hats are more accessible.

you'll be able to dump the points otherwise spent on WW and prereq's into inc speed and such.

will also have a total of 4 increased sword mastery over a robo user.
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yes 3 range 6 fpa zweihander, 1 range 4 fpa blood letter

should work well until solid robo jewels and/or WW hats are more accessible.

you'll be able to dump the points otherwise spent on WW and prereq's into inc speed and such.

will also have a total of 4 increased sword mastery over a robo user.


do bvc max weap mastery? the extra ed% is nice but past a certain point, the ds from mast has severe diminishing returns
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do bvc max weap mastery? the extra ed% is nice but past a certain point, the ds from mast has severe diminishing returns


wherever the diminishing return point is you then have extra points for inc speed and/or BO

just works out to a barb with less dmg, more crit, more speed, and more life than a robo barb. with 1 less range on 1 hand. and given prices of jewels u might actually out DPS a 15 maxer robo char, but if someone builds around like 15ed/12+ max jewels they'll still out dps u by a bit.

honor also has deadly strike tho which can be nice af.
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wherever the diminishing return point is you then have extra points for inc speed and/or BO

just works out to a barb with less dmg, more crit, more speed, and more life than a robo barb. with 1 less range on 1 hand. and given prices of jewels u might actually out DPS a 15 maxer robo char, but if someone builds around like 15ed/12+ max jewels they'll still out dps u by a bit.

honor also has deadly strike tho which can be nice af.


i suspect bvc will be much, much easier to play in d2r due to frw desync gone. no more ww'ing nothing :D shame its super small charm dependant
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 10:53am)
i suspect bvc will be much, much easier to play in d2r due to frw desync gone. no more ww'ing nothing :D shame its super small charm dependant


thankfully they can swap out scs for gcs a bit better than other 30s due to already having 2x the life of every other class except like oak using druid.
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thankfully they can swap out scs for gcs a bit better than other 30s due to already having 2x the life of every other class except like oak using druid.


top of your head, do you know how much frw is sacrificed from increased speeds if you have to put a hard-point in ww?
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top of your head, do you know how much frw is sacrificed from increased speeds if you have to put a hard-point in ww?


i was just messing with a skills calc

w/ +4 all skills from helm/ammy/honor/Bc

20 pts sword mastery, crit drops off per pt but 143%ed/22%crit (158% w/ bletter mastery, still 22 crit)

7 pts inc speed - 37% frw, only gets 1% per pts rather quickly

7 pts BO - 65% max life

2 pts remaining after all prepreqs - could take 1 pt from inc speed and then hard pt Warcry for stunning. or use 1 pt for leap, then 1 pt wherever.

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i was just messing with a skills calc

w/ +4 all skills from helm/ammy/honor/Bc

20 pts sword mastery, crit drops off per pt but 143%ed/22%crit

7 pts inc speed - 37% frw, only gets 1% per pts rather quickly

7 pts BO - 65% max life

2 pts remaining after all prepreqs - could take 1 pt from inc speed and then hard pt Warcry for stunning. or use 1 pt for leap, then 1 pt wherever.


im guessing some points into Leap isnt a bad idea, especially for TvT to get that 14 yard range?
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 11:20am)
im guessing some points into Leap isnt a bad idea, especially for TvT to get that 14 yard range?


im very interested how tvt is going to be given that shockwave, mb, leap, warcry, twister, smite, etc all with each other may make for some disgusting perma lock duels. i cant wait.

atm im respec'd to trapper, just cant do shit w/o more dmg and dont wanna spend 300 fg per small charm.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 1 2021 12:25pm)
im very interested how tvt is going to be given that shockwave, mb, leap, warcry, twister, smite, etc all with each other may make for some disgusting perma lock duels. i cant wait.

atm im respec'd to trapper, just cant do shit w/o more dmg and dont wanna spend 300 fg per small charm.


ive spent probably around 2000-3000 on small charms. and from that bunch, ive only got 4x 3/xx/15s. i know the pain.

meanwhile 100k fg whales paying 500+ per like its nothing. i guess when you have infinite fg, you dont mind overpaying if it means youll gear up stuff fast. eventhough id argue ive never seen these people duel a day in their life :( i guess i just dont understand paying the big bucks for an item that will go unused for months / sit on a mule until you decide to sell it.
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