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Quote (Melatonina @ Nov 1 2021 10:44am)
nobody use honor naga, also fire dmg fucks it


yup, seems like youre right! edited my main post.
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 09:29am)
thats still very good. you can reach capped fpa with this & shael rune, honor cant. I THINK itd beat a15ed honor naga in dmg output?

Honor: 10fpa, 53-132 weap dmg, 25ds -> 289 avg dps
your weap: 4fpa, 39-112 weap dmg, 0ds -> 472 avg dps


im still not sure how exactly ww ias works in d2r because i havent looked it up but atm i'd make honor zwei and blood letter barba

also ya mdr bug on the fire side sucks, but maybe still a temp.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 1 2021 10:48am)
im still not sure how exactly ww ias works in d2r because i havent looked it up but atm i'd make honor zwei and blood letter barba

also ya mdr bug on the fire side sucks, but maybe still a temp.


naga has wsm=0. you need to have 34wias on each weapon to reach capped fpa.

heres a quick breakdown of how it works. this is from a guide i wrote for a d2 mod, but ww frames was taken directly from classic d2, so all is exactly the same:



This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 1 2021 08:58am
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 03:47pm)
yup, seems like youre right! edited my main post.


still wrong :p robo has 6 sockets
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Quote (Melatonina @ Nov 1 2021 10:49am)
still wrong :p robo has 6 sockets


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edited again ♥ ty for correcting me
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 1 2021 09:49am)
naga has wsm=0. you need to have 34wias to reach capped fpa

heres a quick breakdown of how it works. this is from a guide i wrote for a d2 mod, but ww frames was taken directly from classic d2, so all is exactly the same:

https://i.imgur.com/mv15Hqf.png


zwei has -10 speed, bletter has 20 ias, shael'd has 40.

so you'd be getting 4 and 6 fpa hitchecks, right?

it was a fave build of mine on ladders for years, performs well despite how dirt cheap it is and saves that ww pt.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 1 2021 10:59am)
zwei has -10 speed, bletter has 20 ias, shael'd has 40.

so you'd be getting 4 and 6 fpa hitchecks, right?

it was a fave build of mine on ladders for years, performs well despite how dirt cheap it is and saves that ww pt.


zwei would need 24wias to reach 4fpa, and bletter an extra 20, yes.
however if you have honor zwei, youd have 6fpa no matter what :(

however another huge important factor for ww is weapon range. gladius has rangeadder=0 (1range total), whereas naga is at 2 (3range total).

theres a huge difference between those in dmg output.



This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 1 2021 09:06am
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Nov 1 2021 09:07am
Werewolf,

in terms of attack speed

its my understanding that the comment "Attack speed on armors, charms / skills / buffs / will not help you in any way", is no longer valid. (when relating to dudu shapers).
while i have not read the same re: WW, there may be no harm in getting that checked soon.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 1 2021 09:07am
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Werewolf,

in terms of attack speed

its my understanding that the comment "Attack speed on armors, charms / skills / buffs / will not help you in any way", is no longer valid.
while i have not read the same re: WW, there may be no harm in getting that checked soon.


theres a classic LoD wiki on ww. it clearly states only wias is taken into consideration. ias from, say, gloves or goldwrap will not help.

https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Whirlwind_(Diablo_II)

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All I am saying is that I dont know. I am not going to assume that the skill WW has in no way changed (breakpoints/ias/hitchecks or w/e) from D2 to D2r.
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