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Jan 26 2021 01:10pm
Quote (yeawhatup @ Jan 26 2021 01:03pm)
lol i'm gonna have to try this some time. df is such a boss skill



for me, the beauty of lld is that every class can be viable and that there is more parity amongst each player.

anyway, it's your tournament tho so do your thing! i appreciate your efforts to bring activity regardless of my opinion. it's more that i don't like hybrids always being brought up as a solution to balance things.



lower res would only serve to make sins stronger vs chars that aren't already stacked to the gills. they seem to be in a good spot already tho so i dunno if this is necessary. unless there is another element at play that i am unaware of?

it is tough to weigh the pros/cons of amp/bo because they are both just crazy op in a lot of settings.

you're already aware that the real balance problem is that druids are underwhelming and require an incredibly skilled pilot to be effective vs sin or barb comps. everything else seemed to be in a good enough spot as it is. although, we haven't yet gotten to seen what barbs can truly do since they were shamed in your first tourny lol. i do believe a barb team still took 3rd behind 2x sin/nec teams anyway.

i think the better approach would be to look for a way to buff druids alone instead of opening the gates to everything. possibly look into sin/nec comps but it's hard to conclude how strong anything really is in this format after only 1 tournament. everyone can agree that druids are in a bad spot tho.


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Quote (yeawhatup @ Jan 26 2021 02:03pm)
lol i'm gonna have to try this some time. df is such a boss skill



for me, the beauty of lld is that every class can be viable and that there is more parity amongst each player.

anyway, it's your tournament tho so do your thing! i appreciate your efforts to bring activity regardless of my opinion. it's more that i don't like hybrids always being brought up as a solution to balance things.



lower res would only serve to make sins stronger vs chars that aren't already stacked to the gills. they seem to be in a good spot already tho so i dunno if this is necessary. unless there is another element at play that i am unaware of?

it is tough to weigh the pros/cons of amp/bo because they are both just crazy op in a lot of settings.

you're already aware that the real balance problem is that druids are underwhelming and require an incredibly skilled pilot to be effective vs sin or barb comps. everything else seemed to be in a good enough spot as it is. although, we haven't yet gotten to seen what barbs can truly do since they were shamed in your first tourny lol. i do believe a barb team still took 3rd behind 2x sin/nec teams anyway.

i think the better approach would be to look for a way to buff druids alone instead of opening the gates to everything. possibly look into sin/nec comps but it's hard to conclude how strong anything really is in this format after only 1 tournament. everyone can agree that druids are in a bad spot tho.


This 100%, i almost want to join just to show how strong barbs are but i simply cannot support an event like this same as you because i find it boring and want everything to be allowed or atleast for the other top tier chars to be allowed if barb is allowed. so i would settle for just showing him in a test 2v2 how strong barb is. no offense to anyone who joined t he event on barb, like yeet is the #1 geared barb apart form maybe matts barb when he has swords on, but honey has not been playing barb very long and its one of the hardest to pilot chars imo.

if done right i agree 100% with you that barb/sin should sweep any other team comp in this event which is why i suggested simply allowing more team comps, in the end it is his fg tho and he can do what he sees fit doing and he is still bringing more traffic to lld which is a positive thing.


i will just say though that i strongly warn against using hybrids in any way to try and balance things as this could create problems in actual lld 4v4 games at night with ppl thinking shit like "oh cloudmd's tourney allows blablabla to use eop so its gm here" etc type shit.
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Jan 26 2021 01:13pm
Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 26 2021 01:57pm)
So you’d rather your chance to get one shot to go from 25% to 80%?


cant get one shotted if you dont get touched

i would say being able to dodge is more skillful than relying on your block to protect you.
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Jan 26 2021 01:14pm
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Jan 26 2021 02:10pm)
This 100%, i almost want to join just to show how strong barbs are but i simply cannot support an event like this same as you because i find it boring and want everything to be allowed or atleast for the other top tier chars to be allowed if barb is allowed. so i would settle for just showing him in a test 2v2 how strong barb is. no offense to anyone who joined t he event on barb, like yeet is the #1 geared barb apart form maybe matts barb when he has swords on, but honey has not been playing barb very long and its one of the hardest to pilot chars imo.

if done right i agree 100% with you that barb/sin should sweep any other team comp in this event which is why i suggested simply allowing more team comps, in the end it is his fg tho and he can do what he sees fit doing and he is still bringing more traffic to lld which is a positive thing.


i will just say though that i strongly warn against using hybrids in any way to try and balance things as this could create problems in actual lld 4v4 games at night with ppl thinking shit like "oh cloudmd's tourney allows blablabla to use eop so its gm here" etc type shit.


highly doubt this will happen

there are more gm players in lld than there are bm
however it seems that there's a higher presence of retards here too so idk
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Jan 26 2021 01:18pm
Quote (yeawhatup @ Jan 26 2021 02:03pm)
lol i'm gonna have to try this some time. df is such a boss skill



for me, the beauty of lld is that every class can be viable and that there is more parity amongst each player.

anyway, it's your tournament tho so do your thing! i appreciate your efforts to bring activity regardless of my opinion. it's more that i don't like hybrids always being brought up as a solution to balance things.



lower res would only serve to make sins stronger vs chars that aren't already stacked to the gills. they seem to be in a good spot already tho so i dunno if this is necessary. unless there is another element at play that i am unaware of?

it is tough to weigh the pros/cons of amp/bo because they are both just crazy op in a lot of settings.

you're already aware that the real balance problem is that druids are underwhelming and require an incredibly skilled pilot to be effective vs sin or barb comps. everything else seemed to be in a good enough spot as it is. although, we haven't yet gotten to seen what barbs can truly do since they were shamed in your first tourny lol. i do believe a barb team still took 3rd behind 2x sin/nec teams anyway.

i think the better approach would be to look for a way to buff druids alone instead of opening the gates to everything. possibly look into sin/nec comps but it's hard to conclude how strong anything really is in this format after only 1 tournament. everyone can agree that druids are in a bad spot tho.



np just trying to do something different. tbh 1.0 fpk tournament turned out to be a success so im just trying to seek more community input for 2.0 and how we could make it better / rebalance 1.0.

lower res doesn't help much unless for some reason the person doesnt have additional res from sc swaps or gear swaps.
the big game changer is amp and bo'd teams
also, the topic of EOP came up, but i have no idea if I will incorporate it. im leaning towards a yes so i can just see how it goes. might even just host a friday fpk night with a few teams for fun that incorporates the current suggestions before rolling it out into a big tournament.



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Jan 26 2021 01:19pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 02:14pm)
highly doubt this will happen

there are more gm players in lld than there are bm
however it seems that there's a higher presence of retards here too so idk


it only seems like it wont be an issue because me adam andy etc always nk the fuck out of ppl who bring hybrids and they usually give up on joining our games within a day or 2.

even signature@jsp tried using eop nec in a fully gm 4v4 game with zero provocation to do so nd that guy runs a youtube channel dedicated to "gm" dueling so you'd think he woulda known it was bm but we still had to show him the door.
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Jan 26 2021 01:21pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 11:13am)
cant get one shotted if you dont get touched

i would say being able to dodge is more skillful than relying on your block to protect you.



Pretty sure ppl don’t want to have to constantly token either, they just want to throw on eop for fpk and take it off for regular lld duels.

Either way, saying no mb is dumb
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Jan 26 2021 01:21pm
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Jan 26 2021 02:19pm)
it only seems like it wont be an issue because me adam andy etc always nk the fuck out of ppl who bring hybrids and they usually give up on joining our games within a day or 2.

even signature@jsp tried using eop nec in a fully gm 4v4 game with zero provocation to do so nd that guy runs a youtube channel dedicated to "gm" dueling so you'd think he woulda known it was bm but we still had to show him the door.


signature duel'd very gm in the fpk tournament

i think once the rules have been outlined people tend to follow them... in pubs, lld,mld,or hld, there's always gonna be trash players

take it to lld101 if u wanna purely gm duel imo
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Jan 26 2021 01:28pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 02:21pm)
signature duel'd very gm in the fpk tournament

i think once the rules have been outlined people tend to follow them... in pubs, lld,mld,or hld, there's always gonna be trash players

take it to lld101 if u wanna purely gm duel imo


this took place in a private game broski. i realize he was gm in this event but there was a time where i had to nk him into s/eing and for the next few days he tried bming me with hybrids over nd over til he realized he couldn't beat me even with them lol. like i said it doesnt happen often because most ppl know the consequences but every now nd then u get some idiots no matter what you do.

crazy thing is his reasoning behind using the eop nec on a tuesday night was because of breaking bming him on wednesday which hadn't even happened yet. :shrugs:

gl on the event man, i have high hopes that one day you will give a full event with all 7 chars allowed a shot, and like i said if you want to try my barb ur sin vs a sin nec team for fun im sure we can find some ppl to duel with. like yeawhatup said there was not a very good sample size in the last tourney to show how strong barb can be. but i think it goes without saying druid is vastly underwhelming in this format which is kinda unfair to the druid grove, my homeland.
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Jan 26 2021 01:30pm
Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 26 2021 02:21pm)
Pretty sure ppl don’t want to have to constantly token either, they just want to throw on eop for fpk and take it off for regular lld duels.

Either way, saying no mb is dumb



Constantly token what... maybe once every tournament ? Once a month

Either way, I think max block is trash.
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