Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Oct 12 2020 04:48pm)

i agree, they are A tier and bow zon is S tier. if you honestly think differently then i say in the next b tier event we allow 35 fcr hdin since its not as good as 125 fcr hdin. if people are cool with that then we can allow the xbow zon. cause its literally the same scenario, only with a dif char. gm events should not favor 1 class over another.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 05:46pm)

i think i have two responses, 1 zon is good but still a tier not s tier. so eliminating bow ga zons and requiring xbow gets them just down enough to where im ok with them in b tier. are they still good? and still at the top of the allowable chars? yes. but that would be like complaining if people only choose s tier chars in an s tier tourney, in any tourney a bunch will take the best of what the rules allow. secondly your posts come off like there was collusion involved to hand it over to andy. i bought the xbow after searching for 5 years for it, i made the char, trev helped upgrade it, and andy piloted it. all done completely seperate from Asylum setting up the tourney, not even a convo back and forth. asylum made the tourney at the same time it was being tested in game, and so allowed it. the b tier tourney was an experiment above all else anyways just to see what happens if u get s tier out of the way. it gets blurry after you take hdins, sorcs, and ww out of the meta. u could argue bowa zons are s tier, but i think this is due to players like andy and trev playing it so damn well for so many years. i still think its solid a, and xbow is B+.



well for one hdins synch invisiibly onto you and get hammers invisibly on your screen regardless of FCR bp. not exactly apples to apples.

Quote (thesnipa @ 12 Oct 2020 15:46)

i think i have two responses, 1 zon is good but still a tier not s tier. so eliminating bow ga zons and requiring xbow gets them just down enough to where im ok with them in b tier. are they still good? and still at the top of the allowable chars? yes. but that would be like complaining if people only choose s tier chars in an s tier tourney, in any tourney a bunch will take the best of what the rules allow. secondly your posts come off like there was collusion involved to hand it over to andy. i bought the xbow after searching for 5 years for it, i made the char, trev helped upgrade it, and andy piloted it. all done completely seperate from Asylum setting up the tourney, not even a convo back and forth. asylum made the tourney at the same time it was being tested in game, and so allowed it. the b iter tourney was an experiment above all else anyways just to see what happens if u get s tier out of the way. it gets blurry after you take hdins, sorcs, and ww out of the meta. u could argue bowa zons are s tier, but i think this is due to players like andy and trev playing it so damn well for so many years. i still think its solid a, and xbow is B+.

Quote (Belarathon @ Oct 12 2020 05:53pm)

inaccurate post however I only started playing zons in the last year or so, still a rookie. Andy is the one who dominated on zon for a decade

Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Oct 12 2020 04:58pm)

i agree.

i find it hilarious how the zon fans who have no skill what so ever on hdin are trying to pretend like they would know if its the same thing or not, and are completely ignoring the person who plays both chars with a high level of skill in each.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 05:11pm)

Calm down sport. I've played literally every lld build. I mained an libby for years.

Needing a bit longer synch on a char with unresistable magic dmg on the char with arguably the best mobility in all of lld is a handicap. But it offer u some good gear options especially over 125 setup.

Using a ballista makes u have 95 str. Lower life than a bow zon. Slower and 250 bolts vs 350 arrows. And only really viable with a single prepatch bow. A more severe handicap.

Just generally why u so aggro lol. U seem like my xbow zon hurt u bad. Smoke a bowl and slow down a bit

Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Oct 12 2020 05:15pm)

lol 35fcr hdin is fucking useless compared to a zon like that come the fuck on haha

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 05:18pm)

U on 35 fcr hdin vs me on xbow zon u win tho

A good hdin player can still wreck people with 35 fcr. Especially since libby is in and that lower fcr means b fists for higher fhr bp and more dmg scs in the inv since less mana is needed.

Its not like using an xbow gives u stronger Javs