Of course not. Theres nothing wrong with switching to a melee skill. Switching to a non melee skill is clearly BM. Especially when you have a good legitimate melee duel you could be fighting. OMG my zealer can't beat a conc barb because I'm too dumb to think of eth runes! OMG better switch to smite and BM to win anyway I can - classic RJG.

For those of you that don't know rjg he uses:

Glitch throw
Charge across the blood moor to regen over the course of 2 minutes, then come back to duel
Smite vs. melee
And he has been begging LLD101 to make decrep and bone prison legal too - heh

He is notorious for BMing on LLD101



How dumb can you be?
Running reduces defense to 0 in case you forgot... pub.

When every high end dueler thinks smite isn't melee, you really can't argue otherwise. Especially when you're argument is "because I said so"


This post was edited by breakbeatz2 on Feb 1 2007 03:57pm

You've never dueled me, so I'm amused to hear your stories of my dueling strategy.



LLD101 classifies Smite as melee at level 18. I'll continue to go by their ruleset rather than your "Because I said so" attitude. Again, I am hoping to hear solutions because I would like some dueling advice before my friend leaves me his Conc barb.


Hate to break it to you, but a Conc barb wearing a heavy Ancient Armor and using a Tower shield (assuming you do the smart thing and use a Sounding war jav as a prebuff) won't be able to outwalk a Smiter wearing a Twitch. Simple game mechanics.

Are you really that dumb? Remember we were talking about double throw? Please tell me how you wear a shield when using double throw... idiot.

While you're at it, tell me why a barb would continue to wear his high defense ancient armor against a smiter... wow so dumb.

Remember how I already told you that Double Throw wasn't viable? Newsflash: You won't have a point in DT, and there's a 99% chance you won't find a helmet with Double Throw on it. Even assuming that you had the mana to support DT (you don't), you still won't have a skill point to use DT.


Are you forgetting the point of this debate? It's a zealot with Crushflange + Swordback on the switch. If you're really advocating taking off your helmet (bye bye Concentrate skill points!) and your armor (bye bye high defense!), you're clearly bamboozled by the logic pwnage I just gave you.

This post was edited by rjg on Feb 1 2007 04:50pm

my vote says you guys take this to lld101 or pms or something, there's enough bullshit spam in here as it is, and it isnt even either of your threads. so shut the hell up. you're both wrong. there, i said it

Just because pubs like you can't afford rare items doesn't mean they are impossible to get. In case you didn't know this build revolves around a +3 conc helm, which is rarer than a +DT helm.


How dumb are you? You kill them with double throw - you don't need conc. wow...

Of course since pubs like you can't afford a double throw helm - just use single throw. It's not that hard to figure out.

This post was edited by breakbeatz2 on Feb 1 2007 05:17pm

In my defense, I've had a +3ww 3os helm, a +3 conc 3os helm, a +2 conc 3os helm, +3 throw mastery 3os helm, a +2 / +increased speed 3os barb helm, ...

I'm resourceful!

btw: Does anyone remember the name of the guy who had the lvl 30 poison java? Maybe Maximillian or something like that? He has "mysteriously" disappeared with my other +conc helm after he took it on a loan.

This post was edited by Shademehr on Feb 1 2007 05:19pm

I have two of them on west. I have every skill except for double swing...now to finish my collection...

Anyways, a conc barb will always outrange a smiter, unless the smiter is weird and using cb gloves and a flail or something..but that never happens.

Waramp's completely right, btw.


Actually, I'm quite familiar with this, because I gave Shade a +3 Concentrate Horned Helm free of charge a while back. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's still using it even to this day. LLDpk, taking handouts from pubs like me!


Gosh, I'm confused. You honestly think that you're going to outrun a zealot while wearing an Ancient Armor? And now you're not even going to use a shield?! Wow, please, I can't stop laughing at this. Apparently, when a zealot switches to Crushflange + Smite, you need to take off your helmet, take off your armor, and walk around trying to hit him with 400 damage projectiles. LOLOL.

And this is assuming that the zealot doesn't switch to his own ranged attack (charge) when you start using DT against him.


Pretty sure it was GT-pwn, but I haven't seen him recently Shade. He also disappeared with an eth/rep Ancient Armor from ear_god and some of my charms/jewelry. Ear might have tracked him down at one point though because I think he got his armor back somehow. I'd check with ear - he might know where your helmet went.

This post was edited by rjg on Feb 1 2007 05:53pm

You've been around a while Krajee, so I value your opinions.

Here are a couple of more thoughts that I'd like to run by you and everyone else:

1. How would a pair of KB crafted gloves work vs smiters? If I switched to a Twitchthroe and maybe a 2-handed axe, how would that work? I'm thinking of a Giant Axe. It has range 4 and can get 6 sockets (although it is VERY slow).

2. I've already established that I need to remake my barb due to a charm mishap. He no longer has max block. When I do, should I just go ahead and invest the three points it would take to get a hard point into Concentrate? I would probably pull the extra points from axe mastery. I would lose damage, ar, and maybe a point or two in critical strike. I would gain a little more defense and a lot more versatility.