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Jan 19 2009 03:44pm
ofcours emei has his info right as well.

But there is no need to USE BA vs def atleast

you cant switch to a 6os mil pick with eths,, u will drop to a horrible 2hit zeal.. in that case u would need to find another +3zeal +3conc 5os ws and use 5 eths to function as well vs a def build...
expensive and "wastefull" i understand, but it could be the best way to tackle a 3k def lvl 18 build


hybrid indeed is a diff matter
somethign like this?
18might/4zeal/5sac/1smite/1charge

at this point since charge sees a 370% skill ed% this mightt still not be enough to justify clegs.. a 3charge, 3conc ws should still be superior at that point (though ar should be to much of an issue to be effective)
especially since zeal drops to 210% vs the 7zeal, 18sac, 4conc being at 321%ed; no way 210% skill ed with clegs will be better in this setup

i think to go hybrid the dmg is spread out enough anyway that both setups seem to me to suffer if using clegs anyway.

optimal probably just a +3charge/3conc switch, 5os which makes for 300%skill ed.. thats fair enough imo
ofcourse it is the more expensive route

This post was edited by Jerkazoid on Jan 19 2009 03:50pm
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Jan 19 2009 03:53pm
Quote (meitou @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 12:18pm)
I know you have the ar. But with blessed aim you can't use conc, so the ws lose it's advantage comparing to cleg.


But mei, during a def opponent the clegs/might user would need BA as well... that removes the mights 210% ed.. at which point the final dmg has suffered so much the 50%ds is performing on less dmg

ah in a hurry atm, maybe i missed something....
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Jan 19 2009 04:05pm
Quote (Jerkazoid @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 05:53pm)
But mei, during a def opponent the clegs/might user would need BA as well... that removes the mights 210% ed.. at which point the final dmg has suffered so much the 50%ds is performing on less dmg

ah in a hurry atm, maybe i missed something....


A zealer who focus on zeal pumps up sacrifice for it's 12% synergy for zeal, instead of pumping up might.

A typical cleg/twitch zealer has this skill layout: 18 sac, 7zeal, 1 smite, 1 charge, 1 might, 1 blessed aim.

Switching from lvl1 might to ba, you lose 40%ED; switching from lvl3 conc to ba, you lose 90%ED. Thus you lose whatever marginal damage gain by using a 3zeal/3conc ws over cleg, if not more.
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Jan 19 2009 04:09pm
Quote (starcreaft453 @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 05:44pm)
touche. but since there are no defense chars on west lad atm and for pure zeal vs zeal like i was testing the ws IS a better choice.


That makes it the best choice on WEST, doesn't make it the best choice for 18 zeal build.
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Quote (meitou @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 10:09pm)
That makes it the best choice on WEST, doesn't make it the best choice for 18 zeal build.


but it still is the best choice for zeal vs zeal.
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Jan 19 2009 08:06pm
Quote (starcreaft453 @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 08:42pm)
but it still is the best choice for zeal vs zeal.


That's probably true among the offensive builds.
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Quote (meitou @ Tue, Jan 20 2009, 02:06am)
That's probably true among the offensive builds.


i have the only defiance zealot i've ever seen... and it didnt work out that well...

but yeah.

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Quote (starcreaft453 @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 10:11pm)
i have the only defiance zealot i've ever seen... and it didnt work out that well...

but yeah.


On west I guess. I have a defense build on east. Maybe Jerkazoid can do a paper match for these 2 builds? LOL.

Jerkazoid: it's using 09 azure so the only elemental damage is the 5-10 magical damage and 3-6 cold damage on the weapon. And it's doing 12/6/6/6/6 zeal.

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Jan 19 2009 08:58pm
wow what?
i didnt know u had a def zealer mei ohmy.gif
i wan c gear
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Jan 19 2009 09:01pm
Quote (Walstreet @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 08:58pm)
wow what?
i didnt know u had a def zealer mei ohmy.gif
i wan c gear


Same. With insane dmg for no dmg aura?
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